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Startup vs. Corporate Life

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Re: Startup vs. Corporate Life

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I spent 3 years at one of the name-brand Wall Street firms before starting my own company. This essay rang true to me. It's now 5 years into my "startup" (Aside: can I still call it that? We have 25 employees and millions in revenue.)

I have no regrets. My goal is for our employees to have the kind of environment we always wished the large companies we used to work for would have. In fact, many of my early employees were "corporate rescues", bright engineers that had been languishing in comfortable corners of large bureaucratic BigCo's that we convinced to join us, mainly on the promise of actually being able to use Python as part of their day job and work on meaningful/interesting problems.

At our "startup", we use the best tool for the job; we only work with bright people; we focus on results; we never stagnate; and, we deliver on an important mission. Also, our engineers get to open source a lot of work that isn't core to the business (see e.g. http://parse.ly/code).

The only BigCo's that I've seen that have tried to maintain that engineering-friendly environment are e.g. Google and Facebook, but for those companies, size still becomes a limiting factor on impact. As the essay put it, "Proportionally, you will have a bigger impact on the company's future than you will working for a corporation."

Product development also has a different feel when you're trying to create one of the world's next great software companies, rather than when you just happen to work at one that already holds that title.

Re: Startup vs. Corporate Life

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When does a startup stop being a startup? When they reach a certain age, or reach a certain revenue, or when they go public/get acquired?

I know there is probably a more technical definition, but when do they cross that line in real terms as it relates to the risks and pains of working at a startup, like this article mentions?

Re: Startup vs. Corporate Life

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> "I tried to be as objective as possible"

> "Finally what do you really care about: name brand or doing cool work?"

I did a lot of boring, mundane work during my time at some startups as well as interesting work at others. It's either subjective or not informed by enough experience to say that only startup work is cool work and you can't find cool work at a larger company.

Re: Startup vs. Corporate Life

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post #13

This article misses some of the very good reasons to work at a Megacorp in terms of job security. I know, I know, it's one of those things that developers of our generation have been taught not to care about. "No job is secure", right? The truth is, startups are much less secure, have in many cases serious problems in terms of future opportunities. And most importantly - despite saying "the job market is great, you c…

Startups might force you to leave because they die, but giant corporations will make you WANT to leave because they're terrible to work for. This is more of a general note than anything else (as in, not just programmers), but many of my friends who have taken corporate jobs have ended up leaving them for something else, like a startup or consulting shop, because while the pay was great, the work was boring and the cu…

> giant corporations will make you WANT to leave because they're terrible to work for

Some might be. Some are great fun to work at.

Re: Startup vs. Corporate Life

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One difference that was not mentioned is how much of your time is spent in office politics. For early-stage startups it's close to zero. In corporations you spend most of your time doing politics and dealing with consequences thereof, such as doing work that nobody needs just to placate the management etc.

Re: Startup vs. Corporate Life

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post #19

I'm just finishing my MSc and I feel so lost and hopeless. I just started to evaluate my options to enter the job market. I'm not sure what is corporate life like for a software engineer in the US but in my country I'm finding out that it has more to do with requirement analysis, evaluating the best COTS (things like Microsoft NAV, SAP, TIBCO seem to be common) for the client and then configuring and deploying it. Ma…

Well, even in countries like Belarus, where the largest companies were indeed outsourcing companies, I still saw a lot of gaming companies, particularly war games. Graphics programming is a grueling field where you spend months working on complex tweaks to improve frame rate or implement some effect, but it could feel rewarding to someone who is into it.

Re: Startup vs. Corporate Life

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post #11

I do not agree that in corporate you make lesser impact. Big company usually produces things used by real people. Also I find most start-ups to be very conservative in employment arrangement. Option to work remotely or part time is usually deal breaker. In corporation it is norm after you establish yourself. But I think best career is to build lifestyle business. Get a few customers, some products and just keep incre…

> I do not agree that in corporate you make lesser impact. Big company usually produces things used by real people.

It really depends on what kind of impact one is looking for. The author touched on this point but think he could have made it clearer that working at a startup gives you the possibility of having a significant impact on a product with limited reach while working at a larger company gives the possibility of having a smaller impact on a product with much greater reach.

This is not always the case of course, you could work at a startup that creates an extremely popular product (though it may not be considered a "startup" for very long then) or work for a corporation on a project that will never see the light of day.

Re: Startup vs. Corporate Life

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post #17

> People claim that startups work you hard, I personally don’t see it. From people I’ve talked to, I’d say 50 hour weeks are average. That’s about what you see in corporate America these days. I think only in America would somebody say 50 hour weeks don't count as working you hard. Also, the average US working week is 35 hours, 37 in "information" industries: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t18.htm The fact is…

I came to say exactly this. 50 hours is completely crazy, and if you're doing it often, you should look for another place ASAP. Fuck, 40 hours is already on the verge of being crazy if your job is intellectually demanding.

I've worked in one startup, another one on the process of becoming a small corp (i.e., already adopting process in a much serious scale) and a corp. The best by far, if you value your life outside the job, is the corp. The worst was IMHO the second one, which had the worst of the two worlds: from the startup world, disapproval stares whenever you left without doing enough overtime, crazy schedules overall (I learned later that some mandatory things were actually illegal in my country) and permanent fire-extinguish mode; from the corp world, bureaucracy and lots of meetings. This was in Europe, not in the US.

Re: Startup vs. Corporate Life

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I really like the final line "Finally what do you really care about: name brand or doing cool work?" Very true and something I feel so many people fail to realize.

> I really like the final line "Finally what do you really care about: name brand or doing cool work?"

That's really a false dichotomy to suggest you can't do "cool work" at a large ("name brand") corporation. Some of the coolest work in technology has been done at extremely large companies (e.g. Google, Apple, IBM, Facebook).

Re: Startup vs. Corporate Life

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post #2

I really like the final line "Finally what do you really care about: name brand or doing cool work?" Very true and something I feel so many people fail to realize.

Doing cool work? Many startups want fresh grads to be taping together CRUD apps! MegaCorps will often ask the same of you, but have more paths toward getting deeper into both the product and the stack.
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