OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic • Hacker News Board

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by gav » Fri, May 23, 2014, 8:41 PM UTC

DominikR wrote: post #13

I've experienced a lot of crashes since 10.9.3 on a late 2013 rMBP, mostly when sleeping/waking the device. Also, my WiFi is randomly disconnecting all the time since the update. Before the update I never had any issues. I love the hardware and the OS a lot, but I never had any crashes with my ugly Lenovo, so I'm currently thinking about switching back to Lenovo

> Also, my WiFi is randomly disconnecting all the time since the update.

I don't get the WiFi disconnects, but 10.9.3 has stopped being able to automatically connect to WiFi.

Wake up Macbook from sleep and find WiFi disconnected. Click icon, see only a couple of SSIDs, click the one I want, get the "unable to connect dialog". Click icon again and wait for refresh; now see a much longer list of SSIDs. Click the same one that it couldn't connect to before and it finally connects.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by zokier » Fri, May 23, 2014, 8:41 PM UTC

One kernel panic bug, and the system is "toxic" and "disease"? I'm not saying that this issue is acceptable, but I don't think those adjectives are really appropriate in describing it.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by julian_t » Fri, May 23, 2014, 8:42 PM UTC

I'm seriously unimpressed with 10.9 in general.

I bought a new MBP a few weeks back, and the hardware is awesome... the retina screen, 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD make it a joy to use.

But...

* I enabled Bluetooth, plugged in my Magic Mouse, and the next time it woke from sleep wireless connectivity had disappeared and has only come back sporadically since

* the machine occasionally 'loses' USB drives, complaining that I didn't eject them properly when they're still connected

* plugging in my Nexus phone via USB, or an HDMI cable, sometimes causes the keyboard to freeze, needing a hard reboot.

Rebooting twice within an hour isn't welcome when you're giving a lecture and have already met the student who loudly proclaims that Apple hardware is overpriced crap.

I do wonder whether Apple actually test new releases of their OS, or just leave it to us to do it for them.

And don't get me started about the usefulness of the "Genuis" Bar at my local Apple store...

I am wondering whether a downgrade to Mountain Lion may fix a few problems.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by cjg_ » Fri, May 23, 2014, 8:46 PM UTC

dsabanin wrote: post #14

Aren't bugs in pre-release software expected? He makes it sound like there are tons of issues, when it looks like this is just same one bug related to external display handling.

10.9.3 is not pre-release software.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by DominikR » Fri, May 23, 2014, 8:46 PM UTC

gav wrote: post #21

DominikR wrote: post #13

I've experienced a lot of crashes since 10.9.3 on a late 2013 rMBP, mostly when sleeping/waking the device. Also, my WiFi is randomly disconnecting all the time since the update. Before the update I never had any issues. I love the hardware and the OS a lot, but I never had any crashes with my ugly Lenovo, so I'm currently thinking about switching back to Lenovo

> Also, my WiFi is randomly disconnecting all the time since the update. I don't get the WiFi disconnects, but 10.9.3 has stopped being able to automatically connect to WiFi. Wake up Macbook from sleep and find WiFi disconnected. Click icon, see only a couple of SSIDs, click the one I want, get the "unable to connect dialog". Click icon again and wait for refresh; now see a much longer list of SSIDs. Click the same o…

That's exactly how my currently Macbook behaves. I could write a short script to turn off/on the WiFi after login, but it's really annoying that you have to do that for such an expensive device.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by chc » Fri, May 23, 2014, 8:46 PM UTC

dsabanin wrote: post #14

Aren't bugs in pre-release software expected? He makes it sound like there are tons of issues, when it looks like this is just same one bug related to external display handling.

This isn't prerelease software. This is the current version of the OS that Apple will prompt you to upgrade to automatically.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by garyrob » Fri, May 23, 2014, 8:46 PM UTC

Some people have felt that switching graphics modes is the source of Mavericks crashes. I had five crashes in several days last week. I went to the Energy Saver control panel, and turned off Automated Graphics Switching. Haven't had a crash in a week. Could easily be coincidence, but I thought I'd mention it here in case anyone else wants to try it. I'd be very interested in hearing whether it helps.

By the way, what happens on my machine is that the UI completely freezes. I'm not sure if that's what other commenters experience when they talk about "crashing".

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by rickyc091 » Fri, May 23, 2014, 8:47 PM UTC

bkurtz13 wrote: post #12

In an attempt to balance the discussion, I'm on 10.9.3 and I've had absolutely zero issues so far.

MBPR 2014. Had a few issues (crashing, slow wake/boot, etc.) with 10.9 + 10.9.1, but most of these problems were resolved by 10.9.2. Haven't had a crash with 10.9.3 as of yet.

What I also realized was constantly upgrading from one version to another kept around some legacy files that messed up my OS a bit. A clean install might do the trick for those having issues.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by Goopplesoft » Fri, May 23, 2014, 8:48 PM UTC

vemy wrote: post #15

radicalbyte wrote: post #7

I've been a Mac user for 6 months (MBP), I hardly tax the machine but it has crashed a dozen times. Twice today, and five times this week in total. Not since Windows 98 have I seen such an unstable OS. I've seen less BSOD in the last 15 years than I've seen kernel panics in the last week.

My Windows PC never crashed like my Macbook does.

This is all anecdotal. Mac user for years and never had a crash. These types of comment provide very little to these threads.

Re: OS X 10.9.3 Is Toxic

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Post by james33 » Fri, May 23, 2014, 8:51 PM UTC

I'm really surprised by all of the reports of crashing. I've had 3 different Macs over the last 7 years and I've had just one crash in all that time. I use my Mac anywhere from 8-16 hours per day and tax it pretty well. Before that I couldn't stay away from the BSOD on Windows, one of the reasons I finally made the switch.