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Stop Leaning In. Put Down Your IPhone. And HELP ME.

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You can make it less likely that you'll fall victim to the bystander effect by precaching better responses - the heroic imagination. I first read about it here: http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/03/14/developing-the-hero... which links to http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/the_banality_of...

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#23

Bystander effect aside, this is really shocking if it's true. I once got robbed in broad daylight at a bus station in La Paz (Bolivia), with dozens of people standing nearby and watching everything happen, but then again this was in a developing country. I think part of the explanation is that such situations occur pretty rarely in the developed world, so people do not know what's the appropriate reaction: Fight back…

USian here.

Where do you live that you're required to take a first-aid class before you get your driver's license? That sounds like a freaking fantastic idea!

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#24

this is a well known phenomenon called the "bystander effect" wikipedia entry here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect long story short, what's going on in people's minds when they don't help is that, probably someone else will step in, and playing hero will probably just get in the way. which, isn't that helpful if 100% of the bystanders are thinking that. It's somebody else's problem. there's a simple re…

It may be partly "somebody else will fix this", but also largely "is this really what it seems"? It could be a genuine robbery, or a piece of improv street theatre, or a sociology experiment. And since nobody else is responding, maybe they see something I don't.

As an aside, apparently she pretty much did what you suggest (which is the standard advice to deal with the bystander effect) in that she asked one particular bystander to help her, but even that didn't work.

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#25
post #12

A few weeks ago, I was pedalling to work in the rain when I saw something which briefly made me well up with rage: a car parked diagonally across the cycle lane, driver clearly on the phone - a new level of "f*ck you" from a motorist to cyclists. But then I saw the skid-marks leading across the verge from the road, and I realised this was a bit more serious. I stopped and tapped on the window. She was very distraught…

You're pretty much on your own in a large city never expect anybody to help you.

The only people that will help you is family and friends.

Risking your life, safety or just wasting time for the sake of helping a stranger happens as often as people donating large amounts to charity.

So if you want to fight your robber you better have a large knife or gun on your person because people won't help you.

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post #12

A few weeks ago, I was pedalling to work in the rain when I saw something which briefly made me well up with rage: a car parked diagonally across the cycle lane, driver clearly on the phone - a new level of "f*ck you" from a motorist to cyclists. But then I saw the skid-marks leading across the verge from the road, and I realised this was a bit more serious. I stopped and tapped on the window. She was very distraught…

>> "As I remounted my bike and rode away, it occurred to me that she didn't at any point thank me..." >> "There's not much to be gained from interacting with strangers..."

Good on you for stopping to help but why do you feel like you should have to gain something by helping someone else? The woman you helped was still probably quite shocked and dealing with police to thank you and it's highly likely that in such a situation information like where you worked completely went over her head.

I think this is one of the reasons people have stopped helping others - they expect something in return. If I helped someone the only thing I'd expect in return would be that if the person I helped is ever in a situation where they can provide help to someone else, they'll remember the time they were helped by a stranger and take action.

Side point

>> "There's not much to be gained from interacting with strangers, even less when there's a risk of being dragged into someone else's potentially violent confrontation."

The second part of this statement interests me. Is fear of something (that is highly unlikely to occur) a reason people don't get involved? It made me think of Michael Moore's conclusion in Bowling for Columbine that America's love of guns is based on fear that they will be attacked, mugged, home invaded etc. This may also be a reason people don't get involved in situation they can't control even though it's highly unlikely they are in any danger.

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post #20
post #4

Give her the phone! GIVE HER THE PHONE!! edit: OK, I'm being downvoted. That's fine. But, why put your irreplaceable life in mortal danger for the sake of keeping hold of replaceable consumer electronics? That's the disconnect I'm finding hard to process.

Very sad you are being downvoted. Someone should have helped her, but with hindsight she didn't want to give up her own electronics and wanted someone else to risk their life for her things. But this situation is also very traumatic for her so there could be any number of reasons why she chose not to just hand her phone over. I definitely can understand her being angry, but this isn't really an issue about people not…

It was a poor decision made in a moment of panic, not a rational, well pondered choice. Is it really that hard to empathize?

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post #6

It's not a mobile phone thing; I got punched in the face on a commuter train 20 years ago and none of the crowd got involved then either. It's partly bystander effect ("I'll leave it to someone else to intervene") and partly a very real fear of the intervention going wrong. Maybe you get stabbed. Maybe the police get involved and you end up with an assault conviction and consequent expulsion from the middle class. Ma…

There have been quite a few stories where people that intervened were themselves charged with assaults. There's been burglars breaking into houses whose owners were charged with invasion of privacy for having security cameras in their own house.

Taking justice in your own hand - helping people out in a violent situation - is frowned upon and discouraged. Perhaps even moreso in the US, where it's much more likely that people carry guns and people - bystanders or those directly involved - get killed.

But as I'm sure is mentioned elsewhere, the main causes of inaction are the exceptionality of the situation (despite what the media wants you to believe) and a group mentality (nobody's doing anything, so why should I? Alternatively, maybe the group is seeing something I haven't, could be dangerous)

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#29
post #18

So this is what happens when you ban weapons.

No, if the crackhead had a gun, there wouldn't be a blog post, just another murder.

If somebody shot the crackhead instead of just staring there wouldn't even be a blog post. Problem solved.

These kind of people are going to carry weapons no matter what, and I for one don't want to be again in a situation where I'm unable to defend myself or somebody else.

I really understand the arguments behind prohibition and could agree with them, but the integrity of my loved ones comes first.

Re: Stop Leaning In. Put Down Your IPhone. And HELP ME.

#30

Is this title taking a shot at Sheryl Sandberg's Lean In? If so, I'm not sure what the connection between the two is. Anyone care to explain/correct me?

Isn't that about acting confident and forward when asking for jobs, raises, working on your career, etc.? Well no one was helping her because they were all playing with their phones or thinking about their jobs and didn't want to be slowed down on the way to work, etc..

I admit I never would have helped besides maybe removing myself from the scene and calling authorities because the chances are high I'd be charged with assault myself, hurt, detained by police, etc.. Once you get an arrest you are effectively impossible to hire for most companies the rest of your life.

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