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Re: So, leboncoin.fr doesn't like my email alert webapp

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Post by blencdr »

LaurentGh wrote: post #13
baby wrote: post #5

Leboncoin is so badly made it's a joke, and they completely monopolize the market. I'm raging just thinking I'm gonna have to use it to look for an apartment and sell my furniture in Bordeaux those next months. Makes me want to build a competition.

I would love to work on an alternative too. It will be hard to attract people, but with strong features, would be possible. (But Craiglist is still #1 in the US, even if it's uglier than leboncoin...)

"uglier than leboncoin"

is that possible ?

...GOD Yes... welcome back 90's !

Re: So, leboncoin.fr doesn't like my email alert webapp

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Post by [deleted] »

jfoucher wrote: post #11
meepmorp wrote: post #7

This post is confusing both because I do not speak French and because the caffeine hasn't kicked in yet, so I read that as LeBron Coin. Which doesn't seem all that bad for a gimmicky crypto currency, honestly.

So there's this website that's the 7th in france according to Alexa ( http://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/FR ) It's the craigslist of france. They don't have email alerts so I built a web app that does just that. Then they noticed the traffic from my server (I guess) and blocked my IP from scraping their site, making the app basically useless, so I just forgot about it. Now they are telling that I'm using their t…

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Re: So, leboncoin.fr doesn't like my email alert webapp

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Post by Fuxy »

klawed wrote: post #20
meepmorp wrote: post #7

This post is confusing both because I do not speak French and because the caffeine hasn't kicked in yet, so I read that as LeBron Coin. Which doesn't seem all that bad for a gimmicky crypto currency, honestly.

For those who don't read French and don't wish to investigate too much, "leboncoin" (le bon coin) roughly means "the good neighborhood/hangout" (and literally means "the good corner") in French.

For "the good corner" they don't play very nice do they?

Re: So, leboncoin.fr doesn't like my email alert webapp

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Post by michaelhoffman »

wallzz wrote: post #16

In brief , Craiglist french website version known as "leboncoin.fr" sent a letter to the author of "lebonmail.fr" a website that uses leboncoin.fr API to send its users a daily email alerts of items to be sold on "leboncoin.fr". The letter ask the author to stop using the service provided by leboncoin.fr immediately .

In the U.S., this would be like someone creating a Craigslist screen scraper and calling it Craigsmail. Craiglist might have something to say about that.

Re: So, leboncoin.fr doesn't like my email alert webapp

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Post by alistairjcbrown »

ekianjo wrote: post #18
jfoucher wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So there's this website that's the 7th in france according to Alexa ( http://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/FR ) It's the craigslist of france. They don't have email alerts so I built a web app that does just that. Then they noticed the traffic from my server (I guess) and blocked my IP from scraping their site, making the app basically useless, so I just forgot about it. Now they are telling that I'm using their t…

Use proxies.

That's a bad idea - doing that shows intent to circumvent an intended block.

See the last notable case "Craigslist v. 3Taps": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act#No...

Re: So, leboncoin.fr doesn't like my email alert webapp

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Post by wallzz »

kubiiii wrote: post #19
wallzz wrote: post #16

In brief , Craiglist french website version known as "leboncoin.fr" sent a letter to the author of "lebonmail.fr" a website that uses leboncoin.fr API to send its users a daily email alerts of items to be sold on "leboncoin.fr". The letter ask the author to stop using the service provided by leboncoin.fr immediately .

There is no official API for Leboncoin, neither alert option, explaining the creation of the op website.

Yes there is no official API , basically the tool scrap HTML website content, I don't know if that is legal or illegal according to EU laws. but its like scrapping Google search result, and I remember that it was illegal in the US law.

I think leboncoin.fr has the right to ask him to stop the service. but they also have to offer an API to the developers who seek to tweak the service .

Re: So, leboncoin.fr doesn't like my email alert webapp

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Post by dan_bk »

kubiiii wrote: post #4
hbbio wrote: post #2

Almost incredible. An extract (translated to English): "no hyperlink TO [our site] can be done without prior agreement". I hope they're suing Google too :)

I'm ashamed to be french when I see this kind of horse shit. The internet is not compatible with their TOS.

> I'm ashamed to be french

No need to, it's just plain old cheap lawyer tactics, it's been around since the beginning of time:

Scare people (i.e. by making them feel they're in danger) and they will do what you want. (Law seems complicated to non-lawyers, so lawyers make use of that, basically by communicating "I'm the specialist and you don't know anything about this domain, so do as I say")

In the case of this story, all I'd suggest the owner of the app, to steer clear of legal issues, is:

a) don't use their name,

b) don't use their logo (or other very distinct parts of their Corporate Identity)

c) re-launch your app (using proxies)

EDIT: On second thought - they don't deserve your exclusive traffic/promotion/value you add. If you keep your app alive, you should multiply your sources (add as many similar sites as possible).

Re: So, leboncoin.fr doesn't like my email alert webapp

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Post by skrebbel »

kubiiii wrote: post #4
hbbio wrote: post #2

Almost incredible. An extract (translated to English): "no hyperlink TO [our site] can be done without prior agreement". I hope they're suing Google too :)

I'm ashamed to be french when I see this kind of horse shit. The internet is not compatible with their TOS.

Why are all the French so ashamed to be French all the time?

I've seen Frenchmen ashamed to be French when a Le Pen won something somewhere. I've seen Frenchmen ashamed to be French when an anti piracy group pirates a logo. I've seen Frenchmen ashamed to be French when some president felt the need to compensate for something by blowing up a nuclear bomb in the pacific.

Somehow, anecdotally, being ashamed to be born somewhere is a particularly French phenomenon. Why?

France has all the above things, but also a great healthcare system, nice people, a somewhat functional democracy, and many other great things.

There's 60 million Frenchmen. Are you going to be ashamed every time one of them does something wrong? Do you expect them to be ashamed every time you do something wrong?

Instead of shame, maybe it would be more constructive to organize and do something about it. The ivory tower of the French political elite is notorious, but not unsurmountable.

Re: So, leboncoin.fr doesn't like my email alert webapp

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Post by mivv »

wallzz wrote: post #26
kubiiii wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no official API for Leboncoin, neither alert option, explaining the creation of the op website.

Yes there is no official API , basically the tool scrap HTML website content, I don't know if that is legal or illegal according to EU laws. but its like scrapping Google search result, and I remember that it was illegal in the US law. I think leboncoin.fr has the right to ask him to stop the service. but they also have to offer an API to the developers who seek to tweak the service .

They have to? I don't think so...

Re: So, leboncoin.fr doesn't like my email alert webapp

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Post by kubiiii »

dan_bk wrote: post #27
kubiiii wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm ashamed to be french when I see this kind of horse shit. The internet is not compatible with their TOS.

> I'm ashamed to be french No need to, it's just plain old cheap lawyer tactics, it's been around since the beginning of time: Scare people (i.e. by making them feel they're in danger) and they will do what you want. (Law seems complicated to non-lawyers, so lawyers make use of that, basically by communicating "I'm the specialist and you don't know anything about this domain, so do as I say") In the case of this stor…

It was more about the TOS than the lawyer letter. People from all around the world get to be ashamed by their lawyers.
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