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Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by pyre » Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 3:08 AM UTC

TomOfTTB wrote: post #15

Elepsis wrote: post #9

The article linked to at the end ( http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/16/our_gim... ), interestingly, is complaining about a group of young people who are asking Congress for this list of "youth bailouts": Among other things, the coalition wants: free college tuition for low-income students who are willing to do volunteer work; the right to be covered in their parents' health insurance program until th…

I'm sorry but I disagree (I'm a 20-something but not for much longer so I really don't think it counts). Volunteer work is just that. You're supposed to volunteer. It's purpose is to show people the value of sacrifice. Doing volunteer work for Government compensation is called being a Government employee. Plus, as a former low income student I can tell you programs already exist that allow them to go to college for f…

> Doing volunteer work for Government compensation is called being a Government employee.

So does that make people that collect social security and/or welfare cheques 'government employees?'

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by bdittmer » Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 3:10 AM UTC

sjsivak wrote: post #13

Is anyone else really curious what sort of degree the author of this article has? I just graduated in May and almost everyone I know with a CS or engineering degree found jobs pretty easily. It was only the bottom of the barrel that struggled, and even most of those people still managed to find something in their field.

I was wondering the exact same thing. That BA in a philosophy wasn't such a good idea after all, eh skippy? :D

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by _cbsz » Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 3:13 AM UTC

pyre wrote: post #21

TomOfTTB wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but I disagree (I'm a 20-something but not for much longer so I really don't think it counts). Volunteer work is just that. You're supposed to volunteer. It's purpose is to show people the value of sacrifice. Doing volunteer work for Government compensation is called being a Government employee. Plus, as a former low income student I can tell you programs already exist that allow them to go to college for f…

> Doing volunteer work for Government compensation is called being a Government employee. So does that make people that collect social security and/or welfare cheques 'government employees?'

Social security and welfare cheques are hardly quid pro quo for volunteer work. Of course not.

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by Alex3917 » Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 3:14 AM UTC

mynameishere wrote: post #19

krschultz wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not.

Yeah, well, doing 5 minutes of research shows me that plans in the 300-400/month range are available. http://www.ehealthinsurance.com ...the deductibles tend to be 2000-3000 dollars, but that's not unreasonable. If you have any data to provide, please do so, because chirpy little responses are just so much pollution.

Usually you choose your deductible and the amount of drug coverage you want. Higher deductibles mean cheaper monthly payments.

If you are a male in your 20s and you are relatively healthy, you should be able to get good health coverage for ~125 a month if you are willing to do a really high deductible, say 10k. What this means is that you essentially only have health care if you get into a car accident or something, and for everything else you need to go into a walk-in clinic and pay yourself.

If you want routine healthcare it should be closer to 200 month. It's more expensive for women, closer to 300 a month or more.

If you are in less than perfect health then the rates go up, that is if you can get coverage at all. There are also certain programs that offer cheaper than normal health care because they use they are run by religious organizations who use the first amendment to get around certain regulations and fees.

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by pyre » Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 3:15 AM UTC

moe wrote: post #6

Quote: Apparently people in their 20s are a bunch of entitled whiners. Judging by the tone of this article I have to say, yes, his premise is dead on. Someone fix the headline: College boy finds out that life isn't fair, cries a river.

The point that I took away is that there are plenty of people in their 20's that bust their butts. When the older generation is complaining about the '20-something whiners' the tone of those rants is usually about how little the '20-something whiners' do (i.e. they sit at home and watch tv/smoke pot/play videogames/etc rather than bettering themselves through education/etc).

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by pyre » Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 3:22 AM UTC

TomOfTTB wrote: post #3

Well, I wouldn't hire him. Look, no one questions this is a hard moment in time to Graduate. It's just bad luck for those who are entering the job market. But guess what, Life isn't fair. Sometimes your handed lemons. Not understanding that is what makes this guy just as entitled as the articles claim he is. My advice to him would be get what ever job he can for now, continue to perfect his skills and learn to be gra…

> Not understanding that is what makes this guy just as entitled as the articles claim he is.

Does that make him 'entitled' or just naive?

> My advice to him would be get what ever job he can for now, continue to perfect his skills and learn to be grateful for what he does have.

Not always true. I've worked many jobs that suck the life out of you. And I've known people that have languished in such jobs because once you get home you don't feel like doing anything but shutting down. Thankfully I'm in a much better job now.

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by TomOfTTB » Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 3:31 AM UTC

pyre wrote: post #21

TomOfTTB wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but I disagree (I'm a 20-something but not for much longer so I really don't think it counts). Volunteer work is just that. You're supposed to volunteer. It's purpose is to show people the value of sacrifice. Doing volunteer work for Government compensation is called being a Government employee. Plus, as a former low income student I can tell you programs already exist that allow them to go to college for f…

> Doing volunteer work for Government compensation is called being a Government employee. So does that make people that collect social security and/or welfare cheques 'government employees?'

Social Security is (or is at least supposed to be) reimbursement of money you paid into the system. Welfare is a system in which society has chosen to give people money to live to prevent them from having no money at all so it's a gift not payment for any service.

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by ojbyrne » Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 3:32 AM UTC

hexis wrote: post #4

These twenty-somethings want it to be one way, but it's the other way.

Damn I miss that show.

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by TomOfTTB » Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 3:33 AM UTC

Alex3917 wrote: post #17

TomOfTTB wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but I disagree (I'm a 20-something but not for much longer so I really don't think it counts). Volunteer work is just that. You're supposed to volunteer. It's purpose is to show people the value of sacrifice. Doing volunteer work for Government compensation is called being a Government employee. Plus, as a former low income student I can tell you programs already exist that allow them to go to college for f…

"The purpose [of volunteer work] is to show people the value of sacrifice." No it isn't. It's to help people and/or the community.

What do you think the value of sacrifice means? The value in sacrifice is in the helping of other people. That's why we talk about the value of sacrifice when describing military personnel but not when we talk about suicide.

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by pyre » Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 3:34 AM UTC

mmt wrote: post #5

The author was lied to, but not by me or my kind. I actually vaguely remember hearing the same lies, but not from my parents, at least not without the "nobody owes you anything" caveat. It didn't take me long to realize, intuitively, if not explicitly, that finishing college wouldn't help me get the job I wanted. Today, obviously, it might not even help me get any job. Even absent an entrepreneurship opportunity, I d…

> I'm definitely embarrassed for my generation that we perpetuated the lies, rather than encouraging choices, including self-employment or learning a trade.

This is mainly the result of over-protective, risk-averse parenting. To them, the best way for their child to achieve success was along this path. If their child tried to deviate from the path, they were grabbed by the scruff and forcefully put back on this path by their parents until it was ingrained in them as the only path.

To such parents, things like entrepreneurship are too risky. Their child might fail, and have nothing to show for it. It's better for their child to just go through college, get a job at a large corporation and possibly spend their life working their way up through middle-management until their seniority gains them a nice juicy salary along the way...