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Dear Internet: Let’s Demo The Slow Lane

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Re: Dear Internet: Let’s Demo The Slow Lane

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This blog has now made it to my global blocking file for serving the entire post as an image file instead of as text.

I'm also seeing something strange on my iPhone. It looks like there's something off with the antialiasing, and the text isn't selectable. It looks like a scaled up image, though I don't think it is.

Re: Dear Internet: Let’s Demo The Slow Lane

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Much more effective would be for operators to ban ISPs. Imagine the internet telling specific users that they have to get off comcast or whatever in order to use their service for a particular day out of every month. Do it maddox style with a nice middle finger. Make users want to switch instead of just pretend like there's no alternatives.

>Much more effective would be for operators to ban ISPs. I heartily disagree with this approach. Not only does it harken back to the days of Prodigy, AOL, CompuServe and the like where each service had its own content, but it's very anti-internet. >Make users want to switch That's great if there are alternatives to switch to. Yes, I could technically switch to dialup. It is technically internet. It's not going to all…

> I heartily disagree with this approach. Not only does it harken back to the days of Prodigy, AOL, CompuServe and the like where each service had its own content, but it's very anti-internet.

Anti-internet to ban an ISP that is trying to decimate the internet? How does that logically make any sense?

Re: Dear Internet: Let’s Demo The Slow Lane

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How about something simpler - Make images load slowly using JS. A ton of popular consumer sites - facebook, instagram, reddit/imgur are hugely image based. A few lines of JS to make them slowly load (perhaps PNG artifacts for bonus points) and you could very effectively get the point across all while quickly serving a nice large banner. Offtopic: As a google fiber customer myself, his mention of not remembering the u…

How about preloading (or rendering) placeholder images with a short message of what is up and a timer. The timer runs down from 4 to 0 seconds and all the images get loaded.

Re: Dear Internet: Let’s Demo The Slow Lane

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A fine example of the naiveté of VC's who vicariously play business through unprofitable companies. Someone who's spent too much time in a play pen with children, dollars and matches. Are you mad? Brad?

At the most basic level, I have a checkout on my website where I take actual cash from my customers and unless it's thousands of dollars every day, I'm going to have to close my doors. Yup, that's right. I have expenses that I need to pay: Staff, hosting costs, insurance, office rent. And if that money doesn't keep on coming every day at the rate I projected, I get to fire my staff.

So, Brad. You idiot. You really think I'm going to slow down my website to play your flaccid little game of online pretend activism and put my staff and business at risk to do it?

Hire a lobbyist. Get the job done. And grow up.

Re: Dear Internet: Let’s Demo The Slow Lane

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Why stop at the slow lane? There is nothing preventing ISP gatekeepers from wholeheartedly denying access.

Slowness is just the beginning -- the end-goal is making the internet into multiple competing walled gardens where users are treated as silos that require permission to access. The global reach of the internet is at risk here.

Imagine if Netflix wasn't accessible to Comcast users from the beginning because they wouldn't pay the toll. Would it have thrived and grown as quickly as it did, or would it have died in it's infancy?

What about Skype? Skype stepped on the toes of incumbent ISPs' long-distance revenue streams, I wouldn't put it past AT&T to purposefully degrade the quality of Skype calls or even outright deny them from happening. Prior to being bought out by Microsoft, would they have had the revenue to pay for access to users? Would Microsoft have even bought Skype at all?

Re: Dear Internet: Let’s Demo The Slow Lane

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This would be great and informative and effective, except that the most visible sites* have no incentive to play along with this little song and dance, as they are the ones proliferating anti-net-neutrality for their own private gain. So it will basically just look to people like I'm running a shitty technical job serving my site, most people will think I'm stupid, they won't learn a damn thing about net neutrality o…

Netflix is "proliferating anti-net-neutrality"? They seem to be actively and publicly pushing for net neutrality.

Re: Dear Internet: Let’s Demo The Slow Lane

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Issue is severe, but the proposed solution does not sound efficient in any way. In comparison to blackout day: 1. Turning site off is a lot easier than installing apache module and configuring it. What if site admin does not even have root access? 2. Customer getting the slow site load might not get the message, but instead turn around for a competitor. [1] [1] 40% of people abandon a website that takes more than 3 s…

I don't think slowing the site down really helps convey the speed difference anyways, because they aren't seeing it apples-to-apples.

Instead, I think you want to load two version of the site in to iFrames (or something) and throttle one.

This would also be a good way to show a user how crappy their connection is compared to a _real_ high speed connection: The problem isn't just that they are creating a "fast" lane and a "slow" lane, but the fact that US-based "fast" lanes are actually fairly slow to begin with.

Re: Dear Internet: Let’s Demo The Slow Lane

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post #20
post #6

How about something simpler - Make images load slowly using JS. A ton of popular consumer sites - facebook, instagram, reddit/imgur are hugely image based. A few lines of JS to make them slowly load (perhaps PNG artifacts for bonus points) and you could very effectively get the point across all while quickly serving a nice large banner. Offtopic: As a google fiber customer myself, his mention of not remembering the u…

> How about something simpler - Make images load slowly using JS. I do like this idea. However, as one of the minority of people who have disabled js by default, I'd hope this could be done in a way that doesn't break websites.

I don't know how to say it without being blunt, but I mean no offense, I'm just curious. I've heard of this mythical type of user (no-JS) but never heard their side of the coin before.

I dislike ad tracking, information culling, and I think that JavaScript underpins and makes possible many of the things I dislike about the modern web. We agree on that I'm sure. But so does a web browser. So does the operating system it runs on. Turning off JavaScript only protects you from the parts of the web you don't like by breaking all of the web so much that nothing runs as it's supposed to - but what's the point in browsing a shattered web?

I am a front-end dev, and I've hit the extent that CSS will allow me to style and lay out pages. I need per-element @media queries, and the ability for elements to peek inside and count their contents so I can make it fit into the space better. JavaScript lets me to do that, but I'm afraid that if you disable JavaScript from today forward you're going to run into this a lot more.

It doesn't take a whole ton of JavaScript to supercharge a CSS layout, but if you block all JS you're going to be looking at a broken page.

I use text-mode browsers on the command-line, and for checking the source of pages from the command-line so I understand when there's a time and place for restricted browsing and it's less useful than a full browser to me because of it.

Having said all that, would you mind explaining why you choose to break your exerience of the web by disabling JavaScript, and what gains you perceive from the exercise. I'm genuinely curious but can't find any of you no-JSers in person anywhere.

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