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Google Debuts Classroom, An Education Platform For Teacher-Student Communication

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Re: Google Debuts Classroom, An Education Platform For Teacher-Student Communication

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I mean, I guess you can't unless you can a) see the source code yourself and b) deploy it yourself.

and " won’t even use the data that moves through the platform or display ads in Classroom" Note the language, they say they won't use it for "ads in Classroom", but what about for other purposes?

Techcrunch said that, not Google. Google said http://www.google.com/edu/privacy.html, which addresses your scenario.

Re: Google Debuts Classroom, An Education Platform For Teacher-Student Communication

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can we be sure about that?

I mean, I guess you can't unless you can a) see the source code yourself and b) deploy it yourself.

They say they don't collect information for advertising purposes, that doesn't mean they don't collect the information for tracking purposes, it just a game of words they have there in the privacy statement.

Re: Google Debuts Classroom, An Education Platform For Teacher-Student Communication

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These tools and services look very promising but Google needs to be clear and transparent about what data it captures when rolling out this service. Is it tracking and recording the usage and behaviour of teachers and students who use these tools? What does it use this data for? ("we use this data to improve services" says absolutely nothing.) If you start using these tools in your student years, then continue to use…

From the article: > Google also won’t even use the data that moves through the platform or display ads in Classroom, either, in accordance with its new policy announced last week.

That's still a bit too vague for me. What does it mean? That they won't use the content being created in the system in any way? Does it mean that when a student signs into Classroom with their Google account, Google won't track or record the sites, apps and pages they use? Does Google anonymise any data it captures? Or does it tie your activity to your account? When Google says "Google Apps for Education users own their data" does that mean I can remove all my history of activity and sites visited from Google's servers?

I know lots of Hacker news readers consider this a complete non-issue, but I don't think these are unreasonable questions to ask of a company that has far greater oversight of people's online behaviour than anyone else.

Re: Google Debuts Classroom, An Education Platform For Teacher-Student Communication

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This actually is a HUGE deal for teachers and schools, and it will provide a LOT of value.

One of the largest frustrations teachers have with going paperless is managing the workflow of assignments. Learning management systems like Blackboard or Moodle were often a feasible solution to this issue, since teachers could share files for download and students could upload finished assignments.

Google Apps for Education products (namely Google Docs) disrupted this. Because Google Docs allows teachers to have access to student work (collaborative editing), it allows him/her to give feedback and support throughout the entire creative process.

That's a very big deal, and it makes the [upload/download] features in Blackboard or Moodle less useful. Plugins that allowed access to Google Drive folders were built for both of those tools (as well as others- like Schoology, Edmodo, Haiku, Canvas, etc.) but they stopped short when it came to managing the workflow of creating, sharing, organizing, and collecting collaborative files in the Google Apps ecosystem.

In 2011, Hapara [ed tech company, graduated iK12 accelerator, http://hapara.com/] entered the scene. Their tool laid on top of Google Apps products and streamlined the process of managing classrooms by giving teachers or administrators a bird's eye view of all student work- their files, recent activity, etc. That workflow problem was solved.

However, not every school is willing to pay for the advanced features of Hapara- so there still wasn't a free solution that every teacher could access. Some of the team at the NY-based school charter network New Visions for Public Schools built and released some of the scripts they were using to manage processes [http://youpd.org]. Some of the more popular scripts included 'Doctopus' [to manage assignment creation/collecting] and 'Flubaroo' [to automate the grading of quizzes created in Google Forms].

Again, the workflow issue was solved. However, a lot of teachers weren't tech-saavy enough (yet!) to utilize all of these scripts of piece-meal all of them together to build a comprehensive solution.

So yes, this is a huge deal, because it allows teachers to easily manage the tools they are already using (and they are definitely using GAFE products- literally tens of millions of students and teachers have access to those tools).

Also, as an aside-- I've noticed comments that say, "teachers do not want to create assignments" or "teachers would go white seeing a room full of kids with their laptops turned away". Please do not assume that most teachers are resistant to learning how to use digital tools. Schools are dealing with a variety of issues related to this shift, including weak infrastructure, broken and outdated equipment, lack of time for training, lack of a shared vision and implementation planning, lack of support, negative media coverage, etc. If any teacher is resistant, it is likely because he/she hasn't had enough support to adapt in a meaningful way yet. This is a BIG change for teachers and it completely changes the fundamentals of how many of them have operated. Think about the last time we went through a shift this dramatic... the closest thing to what the Internet has done for education is probably what the printing press did for education. That's a big deal, and there are going to be growing pains.

Re: Google Debuts Classroom, An Education Platform For Teacher-Student Communication

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Like 95% of Google side projects, they will barely support this and it will slowly languish until killed.

I feel like I'm watching this happen in slow motion with Google Keep. I've been using it since its release for transient stuff like shopping lists, mostly because it has a nice Android lock screen widget. It's over a year old now, and it's only received very minor updates. Still can't even reorder notes in the web interface. I won't be devastated if/when it goes away, but it just seems like a huge missed opportunity…

Google Keep is a frontend to a Doc in Drive, and is integrated with the Google Now reminders system, so it's not an experiment to wither, it's closely tied to core offerings. It replaced _something_ that was standalone that died because it didn't "get with the program".

Re: Google Debuts Classroom, An Education Platform For Teacher-Student Communication

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Like 95% of Google side projects, they will barely support this and it will slowly languish until killed.

I agree with the support issue,a lot of google products even paid ones barely have any support(unless you're a big corp customer). If i cant get in touch with the team and ask questions,i'm not going to buy the saas.

Re: Google Debuts Classroom, An Education Platform For Teacher-Student Communication

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Like 95% of Google side projects, they will barely support this and it will slowly languish until killed.

Google Apps for Education is a pretty big area of growth for Google. It's hardly a side project.

Economically, I don't think anyone would argue with its strength.

The issue is how strong their support services are.

Re: Google Debuts Classroom, An Education Platform For Teacher-Student Communication

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Apps for Education is a pretty big area of growth for Google. It's hardly a side project.

Economically, I don't think anyone would argue with its strength. The issue is how strong their support services are.

I work in the education field, and lots of clients use them. I haven't heard any complaints about the support levels.

Re: Google Debuts Classroom, An Education Platform For Teacher-Student Communication

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Like 95% of Google side projects, they will barely support this and it will slowly languish until killed.

Google Apps for Education is a pretty big area of growth for Google. It's hardly a side project.

If only they can show that to the actual users :(
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