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SpaceX granted injunction in rocket launch suit against Lockheed-Boeing

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Re: SpaceX granted injunction in rocket launch suit against Lockheed-Boeing

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Post by jacquesm »

nraynaud wrote: post #16
jacquesm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Launch vehicles would probably be the more interesting one here, 'rocket engines' is not really what they're buying, the article talks about 36 rockets, not just engines. Parties realistically capable of supplying those are few: - Oribital Sciences - SpaceX - Sea Launch - Starsem - United Launch Alliance - EADS/Arianespace - ILS - ISC Possibly others. edit: combined EADS/Arianespace tx nraynaud

you can't count Arianespace and EADS separately, they both work for one rocket (doing different parts): Ariane.

Good point, I'll remove EADS and combine the two entries.

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Post by Gravityloss »

This is very ironic. IIRC when the EELV rockets were bidding for first launch batches, Boeing used some insider price information to win the majority for Delta IV. There was a big lawsuit about that and Lockheed Martin's Atlas V ended up getting more launches.

http://www.staynehoff.net/boeing-eelv-punished.htm

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Post by arjie »

nraynaud wrote: post #9
ceejayoz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long-term I'd say this may well strengthen space exploration.

I think that leaves only China (maybe India ? I don't remember where they are space-wise) with a capacity to send people into space. I don't think Ariane can be fitted for people.

India has not had a successful manned launch yet. I believe China has.

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Post by listic »

eps wrote: post #2

> In reaction to the sanctions, Rogozin tweeted: “After analyzing the sanctions against our space industry, I suggest the U.S. delivers its astronauts to the ISS with a trampoline.” In Russian there's an expression - to scare a hedgehog with a naked ass - which is exactly the case here, except it's really a shame that it's the space exploration that ends up suffering because of some bullshit political games.

I'm not quite following: exactly which sanctions prompted Rogozin's snide response?

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Post by arethuza »

nraynaud wrote: post #9
ceejayoz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long-term I'd say this may well strengthen space exploration.

I think that leaves only China (maybe India ? I don't remember where they are space-wise) with a capacity to send people into space. I don't think Ariane can be fitted for people.

Ariane 5 was originally supposed to be "man rated" to launch the Hermes mini-shuttle - but that project was cancelled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_%28spacecraft%29

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Post by chippy1337 »

nraynaud wrote: post #12
noisy_boy wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Space exploration always had political motivation driving it or inhibiting it. The great progress done during last 40-50 years wouldn't have as much without cold war and its associated factors. In this case, even if you exclude the Russian factor, the point that ULA was awarded such a huge contract without any competition, most probably didn't happen without political (and/or financial) influence.

The history behind the engines we are talking about is just crazy. Basically they were incredibly superior to the american ones but politicians lost interest in them (because the race to the moon was lost), and they scrapped the program and asked the engines to be destroyed. They were hidden in the middle of nowhere in Siberia. After the cold war, some Russians in the know wanted to sell them to US companies, the spe…

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Post by rayiner »

Note it's a preliminary injunction (http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/business/spacex/9...), which is basically a device that keeps the status quo from changing irreversibly while the parties figure out the merits of the suit. This doesn't mean that SpaceX has "won" but it does mean that they have demonstrated at least a "substantial likelihood for success on the merits" of the case.

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Post by worklogin »

happyscrappy wrote: post #17
robogrowth wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a former department of homeland security employee this is business as usual. you think it was an accident that these were no-bid or that some random canadian company got the healthcare website contract when there are thousands of americans who could have done it better? just scratching the backs of their donors. nothing to see here.

>some random canadian company got the healthcare website contract Whose backs were being scratched in that case?

CGI Federal had some interesting ties to the Obamas.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/12/michelle-obama-and-cgi-fede...

Re: SpaceX granted injunction in rocket launch suit against Lockheed-Boeing

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Post by dfc »

Gravityloss wrote: post #22

This is very ironic. IIRC when the EELV rockets were bidding for first launch batches, Boeing used some insider price information to win the majority for Delta IV. There was a big lawsuit about that and Lockheed Martin's Atlas V ended up getting more launches. http://www.staynehoff.net/boeing-eelv-punished.htm

Where is the irony?

Re: SpaceX granted injunction in rocket launch suit against Lockheed-Boeing

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Post by nkoren »

eps wrote: post #2

> In reaction to the sanctions, Rogozin tweeted: “After analyzing the sanctions against our space industry, I suggest the U.S. delivers its astronauts to the ISS with a trampoline.” In Russian there's an expression - to scare a hedgehog with a naked ass - which is exactly the case here, except it's really a shame that it's the space exploration that ends up suffering because of some bullshit political games.

Elon's response to that tweet was more than a little bit epic:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/461279062837968897

followed by:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/461283368693669888

Not sure what Rogozin thought about them apples, but this sure isn't boring!

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