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Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by [deleted] »

wavefunction wrote: post #12
tsax wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look guize, us Asian men don't count in the diversity quota. In fact it works against us. We retain all the 'privilege' narrative-based negative points in Progressive demonology as white men, plus we gain a few systematic discrimination points from University affirmative action programs, etc. Whenever 'diversity' is mentioned, we are either invisible or to be implicitly counted among white men.

Progressives don't demonize white people. You should investigate what a progressive actually is, rather than regurgitate whatever talking points you're getting from mass media or wherever.

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Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by mycroft-holmes »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #17
obvious_throw wrote: post #3

That's so strange. According to Shanley Kane and Anil Dash, the Valley is dominated by racist white men who systematically exclude all outgroups. Clearly, this article is just the white supremacists and their power structures writing puff pieces to hide the slavery lurking within the black heart of the Valley?

Oh, do fuck off and take your strawman with you. Nobody—I repeat, nobody at all—is claiming that "the Valley is dominated by racist white men who systematically exclude all outgroups." That's not a thing. Nobody's saying it, except you. However, people are quite correctly and accurately pointing out that there is an underrepresentation of minority groups in tech. It's great the Asian tech workers aren't suffering fro…

> In other words, the target of attack is not "white men"

Have you read Shanley Kane?

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by obvious_throw »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #17
obvious_throw wrote: post #3

That's so strange. According to Shanley Kane and Anil Dash, the Valley is dominated by racist white men who systematically exclude all outgroups. Clearly, this article is just the white supremacists and their power structures writing puff pieces to hide the slavery lurking within the black heart of the Valley?

Oh, do fuck off and take your strawman with you. Nobody—I repeat, nobody at all—is claiming that "the Valley is dominated by racist white men who systematically exclude all outgroups." That's not a thing. Nobody's saying it, except you. However, people are quite correctly and accurately pointing out that there is an underrepresentation of minority groups in tech. It's great the Asian tech workers aren't suffering fro…

A brief and cursory glance at the twitter history of @shanley demonstrates quite clearly that people, specifically visible and influential people, are indeed saying exactly this.

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by FD3SA »

What fascinates me the most about this and related issues is that there is a relentless drive towards reducing the rights and compensation for salaried workers, while increasing the rights and powers of entrenched, powerful, wealthy elites.

It is no secret that the tech industry is furious with the salaries it is forced to pay engineers. This drives billionaires batshit crazy, enough so that they're willing to pay lobbyists millions to constantly increase the number of impoverished foreign engineers imported on tenuous "work visas".

A cursory glance at history puts this in perspective. Oligarchs and feudal lords went to considerable lengths to ensure the average artisan received little more than a subsistence wage. Furthermore, taxes were for the little people, not the elites. "Government" has historically been a protection racket made for the elite, by the elite. Any delusions to the contrary have been put to rest quite conclusively [1].

1. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/opinion/capitalism-vs-demo...

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by argumentum »

The statements made by Yolanda Lewis in this article are disturbingly racist.

> Tech companies, Lewis said, "do not want to employ Americans. They import labor from overseas, pushing for H-1B visas. Check the job boards. They basically say, 'H-1B Visa. Americans need not apply.' For years, women, blacks and Latinos have been kept out of the tech job market. Now white men are being forced to train their replacements."

What does the h1-b visa have to do with Asian Americans? Apparently she believes that only women, black, latino and white people can count as "american".

Also, the idea that "Asian Culture" has a particularly "deep work ethic" or dedication to eduction is confirmation bias. Asians who immigrated to America were a self-selected group of highly educated people who aspired to a better life.

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by claudiowilson »

argumentum wrote: post #25

The statements made by Yolanda Lewis in this article are disturbingly racist. > Tech companies, Lewis said, "do not want to employ Americans. They import labor from overseas, pushing for H-1B visas. Check the job boards. They basically say, 'H-1B Visa. Americans need not apply.' For years, women, blacks and Latinos have been kept out of the tech job market. Now white men are being forced to train their replacements."…

There was also no mention of which jobs were held by Asian Americans versus immigrant Asians. I think there's a stark difference between an increase in jobs held by Asian immigrants versus an increase in jobs held by Asian Americans. In the latter, the jobs are still held by Americans.

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by argumentum »

claudiowilson wrote: post #26
argumentum wrote: post #25

The statements made by Yolanda Lewis in this article are disturbingly racist. > Tech companies, Lewis said, "do not want to employ Americans. They import labor from overseas, pushing for H-1B visas. Check the job boards. They basically say, 'H-1B Visa. Americans need not apply.' For years, women, blacks and Latinos have been kept out of the tech job market. Now white men are being forced to train their replacements."…

There was also no mention of which jobs were held by Asian Americans versus immigrant Asians. I think there's a stark difference between an increase in jobs held by Asian immigrants versus an increase in jobs held by Asian Americans. In the latter, the jobs are still held by Americans.

That should be true for Black, White and Latino immigrants as well. The assumption that Asians are immigrants while others are not is a prejudiced one.

It's also not wise to provoke animosity against immigrants generally. Most of these people are going to become "Americans" soon enough. They are here, contributing to the economy and culture, paying taxes etc.

We are a nation of immigrants .. cliched but true. Newcomers should be welcomed and celebrated.

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by ntiku »

ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #13

✓ Victim Complex: "For years, women, blacks and Latinos have been kept out of the tech job market." ✓ Blame Game: "Now white men are being forced to train their replacements." ✓ Biased Reporting. Apparently anyone can be a "journalist" now a days. Do you guys remember all those articles about San Francisico Gentrification a few weeks back? All complaining about how the evil white male tech workers were taking up real…

Asian representing more than 50 percent of the tech company workforce in certain counties does not indicate their salary level, titles, or how much they allocate towards housing, which would be a be better indication of the impact on gentrification. "Funny" how that works.

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by gopher1 »

FD3SA wrote: post #7
afarrell wrote: post #6

""" Tech companies, Lewis said, "do not want to employ Americans. They import labor from overseas, pushing for H-1B visas. Check the job boards. They basically say, 'H-1B Visa. Americans need not apply.' """ Can anyone point to a few examples of this? I've never seen it.

Fwd.us?

Yeah, exactly, and even though you're technically prohibited from excluding Americans in the job ads, take it from Cohen & Grigsby, there's plenty of ways around that problem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

They'll teach you how they assist employers in running classified ads with the goal of NOT finding any qualified American applicants.

You can thank them directly here: http://www.cohenlaw.com

Re: Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs (2012)

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Post by yardie »

shadowfox wrote: post #19
yardie wrote: post #5

> as a 19-year-old junior at SJSU studying computer science, Leu said many non-Asians don't appreciate "the Asian culture, where there is a deep work ethic that America hasn't really bought into yet." Checks GDP per Capita[1]. I believe she meant "some Americans don't appreciate the Asian culture, where some Asians have a deep worth ethic that some Americans haven't bought really bought into yet." [1] https://en.wiki…

Maybe I am confused. What does GDP have to do with this?

Since the P in GDP stands for productivity and the US has one of the highest GDPs I find it extremely ironic when someone says Americans don't have or don't understand work ethic.
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