It's funny, because I have completely the opposite view: stop telling people stuff is difficult! If people think what they're about to learn is supposed to be "hard", they're going to give up faster and be intellectually lazy. "Oh, I just can't figure it out because it's hard ." I've found this to be particularly important with things that are fundamentally simple but very abstract. You can teach people quite a bit o…
Why You Shouldn't Say It's Easy When Teaching
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Re: Why You Shouldn't Say It's Easy When Teaching
#22I think the author fails to realize whether saying 'easy' is okay or not really depends on what background your audiences have. For example, in the math class I find the professor saying 'it is trivial to get B from A' is quite okay if the proof of that deduction is something the students have learnt in the lower-level classes. I don't know another way to skip the easy proof without saying it is easy. If you know how…
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
And it's just as specifically subjective.
It would be impossible to spell everything out, though. Then you would have to start every proof by inventing the concept of natural numbers and so on.
Trivial is, I suspect, best expressed in terms of inferential distance that the student has to cover. Education naturally works on the borders of what people know: too far and showing people something is incomprehensible to them, too close and they're learning nothing they couldn't have found themselves simply by looking at your powerpoint stack.
I suppose, to develop that line of reasoning, it might go something like this:
Given that you're operating on the edge of people's concept space to be teaching them something worthwhile, if you're saying that something's trivial (i.e. that they should find it trivial) a lot, you're either:
A) Wasting people's time, (it's too close to their known concepts)
or
B) Confusing people, (it's too far from their known concepts)
If you're in the goldilocks zone for learning, it shouldn't be trivial. Might it rely on things that are trivial to them? Sure. But I don't see any value in mentioning that they're such, and if you're dealing with varying ability it's worth keeping in mind that some of the things you think are trivial aren't going to be to everyone.
Basically, my question to you, would be: What value is added by calling something trivial to justify the harm to those who don't find it such?
You could after all just not mention that the thing is trivial, perhaps more students would have the courage to ask you about it if they don't understand it that way.
Re: Why You Shouldn't Say It's Easy When Teaching
#24It's funny, because I have completely the opposite view: stop telling people stuff is difficult! If people think what they're about to learn is supposed to be "hard", they're going to give up faster and be intellectually lazy. "Oh, I just can't figure it out because it's hard ." I've found this to be particularly important with things that are fundamentally simple but very abstract. You can teach people quite a bit o…
Re: Why You Shouldn't Say It's Easy When Teaching
#25I think the author fails to realize whether saying 'easy' is okay or not really depends on what background your audiences have. For example, in the math class I find the professor saying 'it is trivial to get B from A' is quite okay if the proof of that deduction is something the students have learnt in the lower-level classes. I don't know another way to skip the easy proof without saying it is easy. If you know how…
One of my most frustrating experiences in school was a math class with a textbook which would stop explaining examples halfway through because "the rest of this problem is trivial" or so it could be "an exercise for the reader".
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would be impossible to spell everything out, though. Then you would have to start every proof by inventing the concept of natural numbers and so on.
While I agree that you can't reasonably implement a complex subject from first principles every time you want to talk about something, I think the core of the complaint was more in frequently calling something trivial when addressing a room full of students with varying ability. Trivial is, I suspect, best expressed in terms of inferential distance that the student has to cover. Education naturally works on the borde…
I also don't think a university course has to hold every students hand. For example if you offer Advanced Calculus or whatever, it is fair to expect students to know that 2+2=4. If some step is too far from a students known concepts, they can either invest extra time trying to catch up (Google is your friend), or they can switch courses.
You could also debate which approach is better for learning maths. In my time, there were comparatively thin books about calculus and comparatively thick books about calculus. The latter spelled everything out. I hated them - too many words really made it hard to focus. I personally much preferred the dense books that left more thinking to the reader.
Maybe for some students the thick books are better, but I don't think a teacher has to please everybody. Students should have the opportunity to switch to another teacher or subject if they can't cope with the current teacher.
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#27I get what the OP is saying, but sometimes, the word "just" is justified. It is simply a command, an invocation of a program that is non-trivial itself, but the use of which has been made easy for laypersons...and by laypersons, I mean people who don't study the SSH protocol.
And I think it's important to tell people that things like "just ssh into..." are easy...it's not the action that is hard. However, understanding why you'd ssh into anything, rather than, say, FTP, or whatever...is difficult...I don't mean necessarily studying the SSH protocol, but why ssh is used in modern deployment workflows.
But until students just SSH in, they will never get to the why. So I don't really know what to tell them, except just try it.
Re: Why You Shouldn't Say It's Easy When Teaching
#28It's funny, because I have completely the opposite view: stop telling people stuff is difficult! If people think what they're about to learn is supposed to be "hard", they're going to give up faster and be intellectually lazy. "Oh, I just can't figure it out because it's hard ." I've found this to be particularly important with things that are fundamentally simple but very abstract. You can teach people quite a bit o…
agreed. There's also evidence to back that up.
source: Get Anyone to Do Anything (David Lieberman, Ph.D. Psychology)
The second factor in making sure that you are understood has to do with expectation. Numerous studies show the powerful role that expectation plays in understanding and include such finding as (a) girls who were told they would perform poorly on a math test did so; (b) assembly line workers who were told that the job was complex was and difficult performed less efficiently at the same task than those who were told that is was easy and simple; and (c) adults who were given fairly complex mazes solved them faster when told that they were based on a grade-school level
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
It actually means a specific thing in mathematics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triviality_(mathematics) (Obvious/easy to prove)
And it's just as specifically subjective.
Re: Why You Shouldn't Say It's Easy When Teaching
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would be impossible to spell everything out, though. Then you would have to start every proof by inventing the concept of natural numbers and so on.
While I agree that you can't reasonably implement a complex subject from first principles every time you want to talk about something, I think the core of the complaint was more in frequently calling something trivial when addressing a room full of students with varying ability. Trivial is, I suspect, best expressed in terms of inferential distance that the student has to cover. Education naturally works on the borde…