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Confessions of a Full Stack DevOp

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Re: Confessions of a Full Stack DevOp

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Post by _superposition_ »

billmalarky wrote: post #17
_superposition_ wrote: post #14

Knupps idea of the totem pole rubbed me the wrong way too. I've met great developers who didn't have a clue about how to scale or monitor their software outside of their framework. How to properly deploy across DEV, UAT and PROD without making code modifications. How to keep these environments clean and flexible to enable these deployments. Nor should they have to. Call me a Dev because I read and write code. Call me…

You've met great developers who couldn't deploy code?

Sure. I've met great ones who could too. I don't think deployment is part of the development job description. Or is it?

Re: Confessions of a Full Stack DevOp

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Post by cwp »

beat wrote: post #12

This is a much better, more sensible article than yesterday. My good takeaway here is that DevOps means whatever you think it means - it's a lot of different things to a lot of different people. That's a much more positive spin on my frankly negative opinion that it's devolving into a meaningless buzzword to attach to resumes, recruiting, and PowerPoint presentations for management. I know I came in to DevOps (the wo…

Yeah, the word is only meaningful when the speaker and listener have enough shared context to pin down the meaning. In that situation, there's probably a better word anyway.

It's not quite the red flag that "ninja" and "rockstar" have become, but it definitely makes me wary when I hear it.

Re: Confessions of a Full Stack DevOp

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Post by lewaldman »

KaiserPro wrote: post #4

I am a horseshoe crab. I am a sysadmin. I can code, I do code, but I'm a much better sysadmin, mainly because I've been doing it as a dayjob. You want networking? I'll do that. you want multi gigabyte a second storage arrays? I'll do that. You want monitoring? I'll do that. You want me to recompile python 3.3, naaa you can do that. I can, but you'll do better at it

Wow mate, don't get me wrong (I'm a SysAdmin/DevOps guy) but...

From where I came and from my background... RPM/DEB packaging is a SysAdmin job.

And... In a properly built infrastructure, what is recompile python 3.3 if not just repackage it?

Re: Confessions of a Full Stack DevOp

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Post by rantanplan »

billmalarky wrote: post #17
_superposition_ wrote: post #14

Knupps idea of the totem pole rubbed me the wrong way too. I've met great developers who didn't have a clue about how to scale or monitor their software outside of their framework. How to properly deploy across DEV, UAT and PROD without making code modifications. How to keep these environments clean and flexible to enable these deployments. Nor should they have to. Call me a Dev because I read and write code. Call me…

You've met great developers who couldn't deploy code?

You think that deploying code just means "push to master and reload/restart servers"?

Even if you think that it entails more stuff, like knowledge about AWS, rackspace APIs, provisioning tools and whatnot, it's not enough. Mostly because in any medium to large company they build tools and processes on top of them. Have fun learning all of that, while you only need to commit your code.

Plus, since I've been for many years a sys admin guy that turned into a developer, I can tell you that there are different skillsets involved, albeit with some overlapping ones.

That's where the devops come in.

Re: Confessions of a Full Stack DevOp

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Post by e12e »

_superposition_ wrote: post #21
billmalarky wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've met great developers who couldn't deploy code?

Sure. I've met great ones who could too. I don't think deployment is part of the development job description. Or is it?

For me, the idea of devops was always to help developers gain enough insight into operations, to be more useful. I don't care if you can easily test your war-file from within eclipse -- make sure that it can be sensibly deployed and upgraded on a locked down headless box.

Basically turning great developers into great system architects.

Re: Confessions of a Full Stack DevOp

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Post by toomuchtodo »

falcolas wrote: post #15
pradocchia wrote: post #8

The last time I looked for a senior sysadmin -- less than a year ago -- I didn't get anyone who was comfortable programming in Perl/Python/Ruby until I started using the term DevOps. [1] via TFA Ah, now I understand DevOps. Well, the sysadmin who can personally automate his job through programming--this is very productive person. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7593681

Perhaps even more important is the ability to give developers, and managers, visibility into things which were only visible to System Admins in the past. Why is this server running slowly? The graph shows a spike in disk IO usage. What's the process? The database. What changed at the spike? Adam's production push. Why? The explain plan for the new front page query shows a table scan against a 5m row table. And done.…

> And done. No sysadmin needed, Adam can now identify and fix his own problems.

> Graphite, logship, nagios, and some development which pulls all of this data together can create some virtually magical systems.

Who do you think pulls all that data together? DevOps/Sysadmins.

I build and wrap together the tools that make your job easier. And I take pride in that. I'm also on call so you don't have to be.

Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/705/

Re: Confessions of a Full Stack DevOp

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Post by nfoz »

chris_mahan wrote: post #24
rch wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a euphemism for 'engineer'.

But you can't be an "engineer" without a Engineering degree from an accredited university, so DevOps.

That's true in some countries, like Canada (where the term "engineer" is trademarked), but it's not true in the U.S. Here, everyone is an engineer.
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