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Re: Ask HN: Advice for freshmen entering college

#21
Take advantage of everything. Try things you've never tried before, even if you're not interested in them (especially if you're not interested in them). This is your one big chance to have the freedom to find out almost anything about yourself and the world. You probably won't have a better opportunity for the rest of your life. Four years will be gone before you know it, so don't regret that you didn't try or do something that could have changed your life.

Re: Ask HN: Advice for freshmen entering college

#22
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree on this point. I skipped classes left, right and centre. I'm sure it annoyed the hell out of my lecturers, but I was spending my time doing things that turned out to be much more valuable in the long run. For example, I did actual research! By the time I was finished with my undergraduate programme, I had enough "real" research experience to gain entry to a very good PhD programme in another country. This…

Glad it worked out for you, but in the scheme of things the amount of class time per week is really very little. Where I did my undergrad (RIT) each class met about 4-5 hours per week, and you took 4-5 classes a semester. So that means between 16-25 hours of actual class time in a week.

That's true, but sometimes the idea of sitting in a classroom for an hour or two to listen to something you have absolutely no interest in is just too much effort :)

Re: Ask HN: Advice for freshmen entering college

#23
1) Don't worry if you don't get all As, especially if you're ripping through the curriculum like crazy. This is college, you won't die when you don't have a full 4.0.

2) Find upperclassmen you respect and ask their opinions on classes and professors (take those with a grain of salt) before you take classes. Find the old syllabi for the classes online and figure out what you'll be doing. Don't waste your time on stuff that you don't want / need.

3) Don't feel like you can't do something just because it's not spelled out that way in some piece of documentation. Talk to the people in charge, plead your case well and you're likely to get what you want if it makes sense. This goes for getting credit, taking upper level classes, doing projects, getting funding etc ...

4) Get internships (related to your major) under your belt as early as you can. You might need the experience to get faster to whatever your dream job is. As a corollary to #3, they'll always tell you that freshmen can't get jobs, it's a lie. The truth is that better companies will be willing to give you the time of day to see if you're actually good enough.

5) Finish at least one nontrivial project before you graduate. Have something to show off and to spend spare time on.

Olin has a good reputation, good job and good luck.

Re: Ask HN: Advice for freshmen entering college

#24
post #11

Don't skip class. College is easy if you actually go to class and pay attention.

It depends strongly on the class. If you have a bad lecturer, I find it a better use of my time to stay in my room and read the textbook.

At Olin, he probably won't have that problem as much as a larger school. With smaller classes you are also noticeably absent.

Re: Ask HN: Advice for freshmen entering college

#25
I agree with most of the other posts... but have a few things to add:

First, grades matter, or else you'd just self-teach everything and not worry about a degree. A B+ average is not an option. Thus:

Take the minimum number of credit hours to qualify as a full time student. And demand a lot of yourself -- try to earn an A or A+ in each class you take... Read ahead, do problem sets weeks ahead of time, go to office hours. Make each class an obsession. This is much more like real (startup) life. I'd also even consider being a part time student if doing so helps you achieve this. Also, you should do some partying and have a social life, which is another benefit of not taking too many credit hours.

Pre-learn for the next semester. Read the book, do the first month's worth of problem sets, sit in on a few classes. Do some other, related reading. Do this as a reward for being ahead in all of your other classes. Doing this can give you confidence if you decide to skip a prerequisite... to see if you can handle the material.

But fun is also important, so:

Self teach. If you want to learn CS, start now. Pick up some books, start your own projects. Get nerdy. This could lead to some key independent study work with awesome faculty members. What research areas are they working on? Can you hack that? Why not stop by and talk about being a research assistant or even a work study gig?

Money:

If you need to earn any money during school, I suggest either getting a job where you can sit around studying all the time (desk clerk, etc.) or where you are being paid to contribute to research in some way, etc. The bottom line is that if you can be paid for your study hours you will prosper as a student.

Fun:

Don't feel too much pressure to engage in all the over the top social stuff, but realize that you can meet some very interesting people in college, and so be open minded to meeting all sorts of people. Friends will respect you more if you are self-possessed enough to put your academic priorities first. Besides, after two semesters of A/A+ results (see above) you will be known as someone who kicks ass. Everyone always assumes grades are the result of brains or inspiration rather than good planning and hard work (and reasonable pacing). I had a friend in college who was known for being really bright. He would help various classmates with problem sets. On several occasions the people he helped obliged him with oral sex. He's not a creep at all, but that's the sort of gratitude that being respected for your academics can lead to.

Course Selection:

Figure out which professors are well respected for teaching a particular class and make it a MUST to get in that class. Also, don't hesitate to drop a class if it's being taught badly. Most of the classes I had that turned out badly started off with a strong intuition on my part that something was a bit off, yet I persevered due to schedule constraints, etc. It's better to just drop it, add it to your pre-teaching regime (per above) and take it in the future when someone better teaches it.

College is an unexpected combination of self-teaching and guided-learning. You must always self-teach (and pre-learn) but with the guidance of an inspired prof your learning experience can be significantly more fulfilling.

Re: Ask HN: Advice for freshmen entering college

#26
Be sure that at least some of your friends do not look like you; yes, I mean that literally. The world's only going to get more interconnected and diverse, and understanding how different people think and feel is vital, especially when you don't agree with them.

Ask questions, especially in class, but also when you study, work in groups, etc. Olin will probably have a smaller, cozier feel than most colleges, but this bit of advice should still hold. Most people are too afraid of looking stupid and miss out on innumerable opportunities to get fully engaged in what they're doing. Sit at the front of classes (easier to pay attention, easier to ignore what other classmates think) and transform the usual professorial monologue into a dialog.

Re: Ask HN: Advice for freshmen entering college

#27
post #12

Don't skip class. College is easy if you actually go to class and pay attention.

I disagree on this point. I skipped classes left, right and centre. I'm sure it annoyed the hell out of my lecturers, but I was spending my time doing things that turned out to be much more valuable in the long run. For example, I did actual research! By the time I was finished with my undergraduate programme, I had enough "real" research experience to gain entry to a very good PhD programme in another country. This…

I hate lecturers who take attendance. This isn't preschool, I can make decisions for myself. If I feel like I can do without that one class or feel like something else is more pressing (due project?) then I should be able to act on it. The whole idea of getting points for just being in class is silly anyway. You get grades to be able to rate your own knowledge, not as gifts or punishment. Thus if you've comprehended the subject fully you should get an A and if not, you should get less. Being in class during lecture has nothing to do with comprehension.

Re: Ask HN: Advice for freshmen entering college

#28
Have fun - probably going to get obliterated for saying this - but, give a quick read to "Surely you are joking, Mr. Feynman" so you can realize that, more than anybody, really smart people always need to have fun.

It's good that you want to get good at hacking. Working on Open Source projects every once in a while will help you with that.

Learn to be disciplined about studying. Study hard but not harder - only you know what hard means, or you will have to learn.

Take time to learn something else besides hacking, maybe dance, or play an instrument, I don't know, maybe painting.

Use at least one summer to travel abroad, it will give you perspective.

Try to get along with the professors that you find are the best at teaching, maybe do some research with them. You might learn more than you think from them.

Finally, I will repeat it again, have fun more than anything. Make college a series of memories and not just one big race to the finish line trying to get good grades. I've said it before and I will say it again, the goal of college should be to help you become a well-rounded individual with knowledge that its balanced between different topics, not just computer science.

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