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Re: Windows Management Framework V5 Preview

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Post by danford »

mattmanser wrote: post #14
shanselman wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MVC5 uses AttributeRouting. Just put the routing on the controllers. No need for a routing table. (or routes.rb ;) ) ASP.Net Identity 2 is just that, easy and extensible membership. Owin requests also give you what you're asking for also. Don't like the S, change it? lowercaseroutes=true. ;) Oh, and just to be snarky, the "programmers who don't understand HTTP" were lead by Henrik Nielsen, author of the HTTP spec, us…

Ach, I just needed to release a pressure valve. I think I'm mentally getting ready to abandon ASP.Net soon in all honesty, it's such a mess. And just because you can make a car doesn't make you a great race-driver ;) EDIT: WTF is going on with downvotes this week? If you don't agree with me, reply, don't down-vote. A spec designer of HTML, which no sane person can claim isn't riddled with bad design decisions, is not…

>down votes

It's because of what you said about ASP.NET. I have not been coming to HN that long, but from what I have seen, just about any comment that criticizes Apple, popular windows software, or praises open source alternatives to closed source immediately are met with a barrage of down votes.

edit: and just to clarify, it's not uncommon to see posts on the front page that appear to praise an open source alternative, but anytime you read the comments, the first one is almost always someone who claims that the open source version still isn't ready because it doesn't have that one feature that everybody needs. I know I'm going to sound like a kook, but I would not be surprised in the least if at least 15% of the active HN user base are "shill" accounts controlled by teams that are controlled by different entities. Would HN be a target for operations like this? I think so. There are quite a few high-profile people who regularly come here, and manipulating the opinions of those people are probably in the interests of many organizations. Making sure switching to open source software that isn't distributed by MS or Apple isn't a bold move but a dumb move is in the interest both corporations.

Re: Windows Management Framework V5 Preview

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Post by [deleted] »

danford wrote: post #21
mattmanser wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ach, I just needed to release a pressure valve. I think I'm mentally getting ready to abandon ASP.Net soon in all honesty, it's such a mess. And just because you can make a car doesn't make you a great race-driver ;) EDIT: WTF is going on with downvotes this week? If you don't agree with me, reply, don't down-vote. A spec designer of HTML, which no sane person can claim isn't riddled with bad design decisions, is not…

>down votes It's because of what you said about ASP.NET. I have not been coming to HN that long, but from what I have seen, just about any comment that criticizes Apple, popular windows software, or praises open source alternatives to closed source immediately are met with a barrage of down votes. edit: and just to clarify, it's not uncommon to see posts on the front page that appear to praise an open source alternat…

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Re: Windows Management Framework V5 Preview

#23

Post by thomasz »

danford wrote: post #21
mattmanser wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ach, I just needed to release a pressure valve. I think I'm mentally getting ready to abandon ASP.Net soon in all honesty, it's such a mess. And just because you can make a car doesn't make you a great race-driver ;) EDIT: WTF is going on with downvotes this week? If you don't agree with me, reply, don't down-vote. A spec designer of HTML, which no sane person can claim isn't riddled with bad design decisions, is not…

>down votes It's because of what you said about ASP.NET. I have not been coming to HN that long, but from what I have seen, just about any comment that criticizes Apple, popular windows software, or praises open source alternatives to closed source immediately are met with a barrage of down votes. edit: and just to clarify, it's not uncommon to see posts on the front page that appear to praise an open source alternat…

Uh, no.

I downvoted because I want to keep discussions civil and technical. Questioning peoples competency because they name a directory '~/Script' instead of '~/js' or whatever just won't fly here.

This isn't slashdot. You'll get used to it.

Re: Windows Management Framework V5 Preview

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Post by angrybits »

mattmanser wrote: post #14
shanselman wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MVC5 uses AttributeRouting. Just put the routing on the controllers. No need for a routing table. (or routes.rb ;) ) ASP.Net Identity 2 is just that, easy and extensible membership. Owin requests also give you what you're asking for also. Don't like the S, change it? lowercaseroutes=true. ;) Oh, and just to be snarky, the "programmers who don't understand HTTP" were lead by Henrik Nielsen, author of the HTTP spec, us…

Ach, I just needed to release a pressure valve. I think I'm mentally getting ready to abandon ASP.Net soon in all honesty, it's such a mess. And just because you can make a car doesn't make you a great race-driver ;) EDIT: WTF is going on with downvotes this week? If you don't agree with me, reply, don't down-vote. A spec designer of HTML, which no sane person can claim isn't riddled with bad design decisions, is not…

The thing I had to realize is that there is no web framework that I will like everything about. It sounds like such a simple statement, yet it took me a long time to come to grips with it. So find the one that you can "think in" and build your code in it. For me, I recently dusted off PHP. I'm currently building a product in with no framework or ORM, and I am honestly more productive than I have been in a long time--which probably says more about me than I care to admit. The point is, it's the framework that gives me the least resistance to accomplishing what I want to accomplish. If MVC isn't your framework, then switch, but just do it knowing that your new home will have just as many warts as your existing one has. The devil you know is often much easier to deal with than the devil you don't.

Re: Windows Management Framework V5 Preview

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Post by angrybits »

callesgg wrote: post #6

While I myself wold newer use windows for anything unless there was no other way, I hope that the stuff that Microsoft is doing might influence some windows people to start doing stuff the "right" way.

The phrase "the right way" always makes me chuckle a bit. We all seem to know what it is, yet we seldom agree on it. My first 10 years of programming was spent working on a system built on Windows. First ASP/COM and then later ASP.net -- and that thing practically printed money. Did we build it "the right way"? No, certainly not. But our stock options didn't seem to notice, and at the end of the day, that is what matters to me.

Re: Windows Management Framework V5 Preview

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Post by teh_klev »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #4

This is actually pretty awesome. I liked package managers (using linux and Windows on dualboot), one of the best tools for Windows is Cygwin (using Linux commands in Windows).. Where i can automate a lot of (manual) work. It seems to me that Microsoft is going all-in on open-source and flexibility. If you are using Asp.Net, you should check out Owin and project Helios - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/webdev/archive/2014/02/…

If you use Cygwin a lot, you should check out MobaXTerm:

http://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/

The Pro edition is pretty sweet.

Re: Windows Management Framework V5 Preview

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Post by untog »

Almost a meta comment, but Microsoft seems to be knocking their BUILD conference out of the park this year. I think we've already seen more notable announcements and improvements than we'll see at WWDC.

Just the fact that there was a talk about developing iOS apps by the founder of Xamarin is telling. The fact that he was wearing Google Glass is another...

Re: Windows Management Framework V5 Preview

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Post by rbanffy »

angrybits wrote: post #25
callesgg wrote: post #6

While I myself wold newer use windows for anything unless there was no other way, I hope that the stuff that Microsoft is doing might influence some windows people to start doing stuff the "right" way.

The phrase "the right way" always makes me chuckle a bit. We all seem to know what it is, yet we seldom agree on it. My first 10 years of programming was spent working on a system built on Windows. First ASP/COM and then later ASP.net -- and that thing practically printed money. Did we build it "the right way"? No, certainly not. But our stock options didn't seem to notice, and at the end of the day, that is what mat…

> The phrase "the right way" always makes me chuckle a bit

Here, outside Windowsland, we have been using package management for more than a decade and, after that long, I'd suppose we have it pretty much nailed down. There are still some different ideas and approaches (different dependency management schemes, pre-compiled vs. locally compiled, ports), but I'd guess we get it right most of the time. The "right way" is a tricky concept, but, seriously, this is all very mature by now.

Re: Windows Management Framework V5 Preview

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Post by avenger123 »

rbanffy wrote: post #28
angrybits wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The phrase "the right way" always makes me chuckle a bit. We all seem to know what it is, yet we seldom agree on it. My first 10 years of programming was spent working on a system built on Windows. First ASP/COM and then later ASP.net -- and that thing practically printed money. Did we build it "the right way"? No, certainly not. But our stock options didn't seem to notice, and at the end of the day, that is what mat…

> The phrase "the right way" always makes me chuckle a bit Here, outside Windowsland, we have been using package management for more than a decade and, after that long, I'd suppose we have it pretty much nailed down. There are still some different ideas and approaches (different dependency management schemes, pre-compiled vs. locally compiled, ports), but I'd guess we get it right most of the time. The "right way" is…

Well put. It always amazes me how much further unix/linux is from Windows. Once you get your head out of the "all Microsoft for everything" you really start to see the real advances that are being made everywhere. And then you realize in some ways, Microsoft is always playing catch-up. For desktop apps building for Microsoft is a given, considering the OS monopoly in business and home but for most other things its a question mark.
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