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Gay marriage opinion is the grounds for changing CEO. How about immigration opinion? Animal rights opinion? Climate change opinion? Political views?

Civil liberties. That's what all this is about. And he used his money to take civil liberties away from a group of people. That was a mistake. A costly one.

This assumes that marriage is a civil right (it's not directly mentioned within the bill of rights)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights

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Ummm... so what does gay marriage have to do with browsing the web? FAIL

Building a web browser requires that you employee people, some of whom may be gay. Alienating that entire group of people, and the majority of others who support them, can certainly put a damper on their motivation to keep that browser pushing along at full speed.

Definitely not FAIL, this is a big win for Mozilla and civil rights.

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This is absurd. I've been following the news for over a week. I still don't understand the outrage. Heck, I doubt Mozilla even did, because Eich posted a reassuring statement and people still aren't happy.

Besides, he never said he hated same-sex couples. Supporting Prop 8 was a bad decision, but the vitriol directed at Eich is a non-sequitur. There's varying opinions on varying sides of the debate, so why is Eich singled out for having one?

People can hate Eich. I frankly don't care what anyone thinks of him. But it's so boneheaded that someone would need to step down from a CEO position just because he supported a bill. It's scary. And remember, Eich isn't just "some guy"; he was CTO of Mozilla for years and invented JavaScript.

The whole situation is kind of pathetic.

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Mozilla is a political organisation not just a pure commercial entity. It has supporters and a community not just customers and the CEO needs to retain the support and trust of that community. A CEO with controversial political views would be a risky choice for this post whatever the subject).

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After seeing all this, I wonder what would it take to get the people behind 'the right to marriage' to get the same reaction to 'the right to privacy' - which is an arguably more expansive provision that protects literally 100% of the population?

Actually, it doesn't. There is no American right to privacy. There's a belief in that right, but as far as I know there is no law that supports or enforces that right.

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Ummm... so what does gay marriage have to do with browsing the web? FAIL

it reflects an attitude that company executives have towards their employees. Companies should respect the reality that their employees do not have homogenous political views.

It didn't sound like he expected anyone at Mozilla to have his viewpoints.

He made a private donation privately, 6 years ago.

Re: Mozilla Chief Steps Down After 1 Week

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Gay marriage opinion is the grounds for changing CEO. How about immigration opinion? Animal rights opinion? Climate change opinion? Political views?

It's interesting people haven't brought this up on Hacker News: http://paulgraham.com/say.html

Cynically, it's about conforming to the views in your given industry, company, culture, or society.

The lofty way to put it is a Mozilla CEO should represent the organization's ideals of tolerance, diversity, etc.

The cynical way to put it is tribalism. Humans want people with similar beliefs around, because they are good, and believe the other side to be evil (this being one of the strongest issues). One way for ordinary people to enforce their political power is through means like this. There's no need to dress it up in terms of fundamental rights, bigotry, intolerance etc. And in the tech world, gay marriage is one of those "not OK's" to oppose. I'm sure in the Southern Baptist world, donating to Planned Parenthood, will immediately get you called for an ouster as a baby-killer. It's just that the climate in the tech world has already shifted to this point, whereas the climate in Brendan Eich's church probably has not.

It's really about what acceptable opinions. For some opinions, there are silent majorities in some areas, that are silenced in others. I'm just trying to come up with a way to understand this, that can be applied to all situations and all ideologies.

Re: Mozilla Chief Steps Down After 1 Week

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Gay marriage opinion is the grounds for changing CEO. How about immigration opinion? Animal rights opinion? Climate change opinion? Political views?

I think an opinion on gay marriage is a political view. Additionally, I think a negative opinion on gay marriage is particularly contentious, as opposed to a view on environmental or immigration matters, because it could affects the rights of employees, and additionally it creates a toxic work environment for supporters of gay marriage. Companies shouldn't stray into the realm of political opinion because their emplo…

Immigration and environmental issues couldn't affect employees?
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