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Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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post #11

He just wanted to take an opportunity to "express [..] sorrow at having caused pain." Eich does not regret his actions, he's just sorry that you felt pain because of the things he did. Classic business-ese non-apology.

How is that not saying he's sorry he hurt people? I don't understand what you are having a problem with.

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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Good. This is a promise to act differently when it comes to the company.

Perhaps other in this community are right to point out that he's not actually apologised or gone back on his own personal views, but as much as I hate to say it, no amount of shouting and getting angry will get somebody with homophobic viewpoints to change their mind. Generally it takes new experiences involving very close friends or family to form a fresh world view.

This is probably the best you could expect. I personally was expecting something far less personal and far more corporate from this but he is instead saying that he is making a personal commitment to equality with his actions and not just his words or HR policies. That's great.

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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Bob becomes the CEO of a large entity, FizzBuzzCorp. In the past, FizzBuzzCorp has been respected for its integrity, respect of its employees, and inclusiveness.

However, it turns out that in the past, Bob supported groups that claimed that men and women did not deserve the same rights as citizens; for example, that women should not be able to vote, or be on a comparable pay scale.

Now appointed CEO, there is concern that Bob's views are out of line with the company's. Bob says that there is no reason to worry, that FizzBuzzCorp will keep paying its employees equally regardless of gender, giving them the same benefits, etc. as it has historically done.

However, Bob does not once say that he regrets his past actions, that they were misinformed, or anything of the sort. Bob insists that FizzBuzzCorp will keep upholding its values; nonetheless, not once does Bob say or do anything which may indicate that his views may have changed.

What do we make of Bob? Of FizzBuzzCorp?

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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Would Mozilla appoint someone to CEO who donated $1000 towards a campaign on banning interracial marriage? Is being against same-sex marriage ok as a personal opinion just because we're in the transition period?

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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post #17

I think this is 95% satisfactory. It's unreasonable to demand that someone change their mind about something (and would you believe it if he claimed he had?), but it's imperative to be sure that his personal opinion will not bleed into his executive function. He knows he's outnumbered, and on the wrong side of history. But he recognizes that he can't change himself on demand. It's the best we can hope for in an hones…

Eich doesn't appear committed to his personal politics over simply getting through the immediate PR firestorm, and as a result the Mozilla organization may now do more to support LBGT communities than if they'd promoted someone who didn't provoke such a strong response.

Combative and messy, but it might be what progress looks like.

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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post #21
post #11

He just wanted to take an opportunity to "express [..] sorrow at having caused pain." Eich does not regret his actions, he's just sorry that you felt pain because of the things he did. Classic business-ese non-apology.

How is that not saying he's sorry he hurt people? I don't understand what you are having a problem with.

This is a classic non-apology apology. He's not sorry for the original action which offended people, just that his action caused offense. It's the kind of corporate double-speak you hear from someone who is not sorry for their actions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-apology_apology

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

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> I know there are concerns about my commitment to fostering equality and welcome for LGBT individuals at Mozilla.

This isn't right. The concern is about Brendan's fostering equality in the world, not just at Mozilla. Getting promoted just brought this 'issue' back into the forefront again. He is also now the face of Mozilla and some people who are concerned about equality in the world now feel differently about Mozilla because of that.

Re: Inclusiveness at Mozilla

#30

He is sorry like the NSA is sorry you found out what they've been doing. Brendan Eich doesn't just dislike gays getting married. He hates the concept so much he officially donated to prevent it from being possible. I'm sorry, but I don't sympathize with the argument that he's "entitled to his opinions," because it's more than that. Nevermind that he's now CEO of Mozilla. (I personally don't care if gays can get marri…

I haven't seen a single grain of evidence in support of the claim that Brendan Eich hates gay people. He said it himself, "the donation does not in itself constitute evidence of animosity." And I can stand behind him on that. I'm gay and I also find the cultural crusade for gay marriage objectionable. I more go along with the views of the Against Equality group. But since it appears that gay marriage is going to happen regardless, there's no sense resisting it now.
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