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Re: SXSW: 2 dead, 23 injured.

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Good thing APD is protecting the public by keeping Uber out. The driver was definitely at fault, but we need to seriously look at how we design cities and laws. If the only way to get around in a city is to drive, people are going to drive drunk. Make it easier for people to get around without driving, and there will be less drunk driving. People will seek out jurisdictions where driving is less necessary because the…

> Good thing APD is protecting the public by keeping Uber out

Could have done without the sarcasm here, but you are correct. Improving public transit options and treating car-dependent culture is the ultimate solution here.

Re: SXSW: 2 dead, 23 injured.

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So sad :( These incidences always force me to think something is wrong -- seriously wrong -- with this world. But keeping the faith.

Well, "impaired meta-consciousness" is the problem. It's a fact of human life that when drinking, a person reaches a point where they are no longer able to make rational judgments. Not only about their actions but also about the level of impairment they are experiencing. This is why drunks are dangerous - after X drinks they look at their car and think "I've got this" when in fact they are so drunk they don't know wh…

I've been drunk enough to loose consciousness my fair share of times, but I have never been drunk enough to do something like get behind the wheel of a car. If that point of drunkenness exists for me, it exists beyond the "alcohol poisoning, facedown on the floor" point.

Alcohol is often used as an excuse for poor behavior, but in practice with most people it does not have the power to induce most of the behavior that has ever been attributed to it. For example, I might run my mouth and be inconsiderate of other peoples feelings when too drunk, but when I am drunk, I don't start fist fights. The difference? Being inconsiderate of the feelings of others is something that I sometimes want to do but hold back on while sober; starting fistfights is never something that crosses my mind while sober.

For most people, alcohol does not turn them into a different person. It distorts aspects of who they are, blowing some out of proportion, but it doesn't completely replace their set of priorities and desires with ones alien to them.

This is almost certainly not this persons first time driving while drunk. Almost certainly, this person has driven drunk before, sobered up afterwards and realized what the did, and then did little to nothing to prevent it from happening again. A person who drives while drunk is a person with a carefree attitude towards drunk driving even when they sober.

Re: SXSW: 2 dead, 23 injured.

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To be fare, he didn't have anyone in his car at the time, so Uber isn't liable. EDIT: So, was this a stupid local, a dumb kid from UT, or one of the startup brats from the coast? EDIT2: "Acevedo said officers initially tried to pull Owens over at a gas station on the Interstate 35 service road around 12:30 a.m. Thursday. Fort Hood officials tell KVUE that the Toyota he was driving was reported stolen in Killeen. " Hu…

What a dumb comment to make, why even bother trying to contribute to the discussion?

Re: SXSW: 2 dead, 23 injured.

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To be fare, he didn't have anyone in his car at the time, so Uber isn't liable. EDIT: So, was this a stupid local, a dumb kid from UT, or one of the startup brats from the coast? EDIT2: "Acevedo said officers initially tried to pull Owens over at a gas station on the Interstate 35 service road around 12:30 a.m. Thursday. Fort Hood officials tell KVUE that the Toyota he was driving was reported stolen in Killeen. " Hu…

1) Fair, not fare.

2) Uber's not involved, unless that was intended as sarcasm of some sort.

3) Per the article, the identity of the driver hasn't been revealed. EDIT: Seems the article was edited?

Re: SXSW: 2 dead, 23 injured.

#25
post #11

Good thing APD is protecting the public by keeping Uber out. The driver was definitely at fault, but we need to seriously look at how we design cities and laws. If the only way to get around in a city is to drive, people are going to drive drunk. Make it easier for people to get around without driving, and there will be less drunk driving. People will seek out jurisdictions where driving is less necessary because the…

> If the only way to get around in a city is to drive, people are going to drive drunk

How about not drink if they know they have to drive later. Drink only when you have alternative means of transport, or a DD.

Re: SXSW: 2 dead, 23 injured.

#26
post #11

Good thing APD is protecting the public by keeping Uber out. The driver was definitely at fault, but we need to seriously look at how we design cities and laws. If the only way to get around in a city is to drive, people are going to drive drunk. Make it easier for people to get around without driving, and there will be less drunk driving. People will seek out jurisdictions where driving is less necessary because the…

I am just going to venture a guess that the kind of person who steals a car and flees cops -- first in a car and then on foot -- is not in Uber's target demographic.

Re: SXSW: 2 dead, 23 injured.

#27
post #11

Good thing APD is protecting the public by keeping Uber out. The driver was definitely at fault, but we need to seriously look at how we design cities and laws. If the only way to get around in a city is to drive, people are going to drive drunk. Make it easier for people to get around without driving, and there will be less drunk driving. People will seek out jurisdictions where driving is less necessary because the…

Uber would not have done anything to prevent this from happening. Let's put this in perspective: the problem wasn't simply that the guy was driving drunk, the problem is that he fled from the police after they attempted to pull him over for driving drunk.

Based on the judgment that drunkard exhibited (fleeing from the cops) [edit: and the fact that he apparently stole the car], it's pretty clear he wouldn't have taken Uber even if it had been widely available.

Re: SXSW: 2 dead, 23 injured.

#28
post #11

Good thing APD is protecting the public by keeping Uber out. The driver was definitely at fault, but we need to seriously look at how we design cities and laws. If the only way to get around in a city is to drive, people are going to drive drunk. Make it easier for people to get around without driving, and there will be less drunk driving. People will seek out jurisdictions where driving is less necessary because the…

> Make it easier for people to get around without driving, and there will be less drunk driving.

So... add more car services? What!? Grade-separated rapid transit (ideally with platform screen doors), aggressive congestion charging, parking maximums, and general Copenhagenization - these are actual solutions, not more cars.

Re: SXSW: 2 dead, 23 injured.

#29

To be fare, he didn't have anyone in his car at the time, so Uber isn't liable. EDIT: So, was this a stupid local, a dumb kid from UT, or one of the startup brats from the coast? EDIT2: "Acevedo said officers initially tried to pull Owens over at a gas station on the Interstate 35 service road around 12:30 a.m. Thursday. Fort Hood officials tell KVUE that the Toyota he was driving was reported stolen in Killeen. " Hu…

1) Fair, not fare. 2) Uber's not involved, unless that was intended as sarcasm of some sort. 3) Per the article, the identity of the driver hasn't been revealed. EDIT: Seems the article was edited?

Yes. Driver identified as "Rashad Charjuan Owens, 21."

Re: SXSW: 2 dead, 23 injured.

#30
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These specific people would, yes. But how many more people would risk driving drunk if they knew there were no sobriety checkpoints?

It's clear that sobriety checkpoints aren't killing people left and right (that's preposterous). But it's not clear (edit: to me) if they actually save any lives for the effort.

yes, it's clear that they do save lives. maybe you should say "i'm not certain" instead of "it's not clear". and also maybe grow up some common sense.
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