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Re: Edward Snowden SXSW live stream

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Post by fragsworth »

if_by_whisky wrote: post #17
chimeracoder wrote: post #10

The Streisand effect is in full force here. I only knew about this interview because Congressman Pompeo asked conference organizers to rescind their invitation to him on the grounds that Snowden is a "traitor"[0]. I can't watch this right now, but I'm looking forward to seeing it later tonight. [0] http://www.opb.org/news/article/npr-sxsw-snowden-speech-has-...

Using the t word while trying to censor people that disagree with you politically is infuriatingly unpatriotic.

I assume you mean "traitor", but the same could probably be said of "terrorist"

Re: Edward Snowden SXSW live stream

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Post by cinquemb »

exelius wrote: post #20
cinquemb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So basically it was a plea to the next generation of the "next big thing" to think about doing security in a way that actually secures information. So basically, another entity ready to be co-opted by its aligning self interests with the State? It's like we never collectively learned anything from the cyhperpunks: "They think they can always find someone to protect them. No, you can't. You've got to protect yoursel…

No; his point was that companies like Google and Facebook will never be truly secure because true security is at odds with their business model. They're advertising companies, so they need to look at your communications to serve you ads. On a private level, that's fine, because you implicitly choose to submit to this surveillance in exchange for the service, and if Google oversteps their bounds, there is legal recour…

Sure, if one thinks the Facebook's and the Google's (and future ones) only misalignment is with their business model. I think it's more fundamental than that.

Re: Edward Snowden SXSW live stream

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Post by Crito »

bostonpete wrote: post #19
chimeracoder wrote: post #10

The Streisand effect is in full force here. I only knew about this interview because Congressman Pompeo asked conference organizers to rescind their invitation to him on the grounds that Snowden is a "traitor"[0]. I can't watch this right now, but I'm looking forward to seeing it later tonight. [0] http://www.opb.org/news/article/npr-sxsw-snowden-speech-has-...

Do you really think his goal was to get them to rescind their invitation? I don't think I'm typically cynical on such matters but I have little doubt that his goal was to get publicity for asking for this invitation to be rescinded. I suspect he got exactly what he wanted here -- go on record against Snowden and get liberals attacking him. That can only help him fend off potential threats in a primary later this year…

> "and get liberals attacking him"

If there is one thing I don't understand about this entire issue, it is how partisan politics are actually playing out. Normally I just look at what people in my extended family think, but all of the Republicans/conservatives in my extended family think that all of this NSA stuff is A Big Deal(tm) and think Snowden a patriotic hero (presumably because they think that it paints the Obama administration in a bad light, which they are always all for.)

I agree with their conclusions, though I have a different motivation for doing so.

Furthermore, I would say that all or almost all of the pro-NSA viewpoints I have heard from people around me are from not necessarily liberals, but people who buy into the Democratic party line very hard. They seem to have the same basic motivation as my conservative relatives, though different political alignment.

What is the deal with pro-NSA Republicans/conservatives though? I haven't actually met any in person so I haven't been able to grill any. Has anybody else had the opportunity?

Re: Edward Snowden SXSW live stream

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Post by smtddr »

Crito wrote: post #24
bostonpete wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really think his goal was to get them to rescind their invitation? I don't think I'm typically cynical on such matters but I have little doubt that his goal was to get publicity for asking for this invitation to be rescinded. I suspect he got exactly what he wanted here -- go on record against Snowden and get liberals attacking him. That can only help him fend off potential threats in a primary later this year…

> "and get liberals attacking him" If there is one thing I don't understand about this entire issue, it is how partisan politics are actually playing out. Normally I just look at what people in my extended family think, but all of the Republicans/conservatives in my extended family think that all of this NSA stuff is A Big Deal (tm) and think Snowden a patriotic hero (presumably because they think that it paints the…

>>but all of the Republicans/conservatives in my extended family think that all of this NSA stuff is A Big Deal(tm) and think Snowden a patriotic hero (presumably because they think that it paints the Obama administration in a bad light, which they are always all for.)

I'm glad there are republicans/conservatives that are against what NSA is doing because it supports my wild theory[1] about what would happen if things finally reach a boiling point.

I'm not glad that they hold Obama responsible for something that probably started before he showed up and he probably doesn't have absolute power to shutdown.

Of course, I'm not happy that Obama publicly defends NSA's behavior. Since he doesn't need to be re-elected, I'm assuming the opinions he has these days are truly his own without any other motive. That hurts. :(

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7003678

Re: Edward Snowden SXSW live stream

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Post by nsxwolf »

Crito wrote: post #24
bostonpete wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really think his goal was to get them to rescind their invitation? I don't think I'm typically cynical on such matters but I have little doubt that his goal was to get publicity for asking for this invitation to be rescinded. I suspect he got exactly what he wanted here -- go on record against Snowden and get liberals attacking him. That can only help him fend off potential threats in a primary later this year…

> "and get liberals attacking him" If there is one thing I don't understand about this entire issue, it is how partisan politics are actually playing out. Normally I just look at what people in my extended family think, but all of the Republicans/conservatives in my extended family think that all of this NSA stuff is A Big Deal (tm) and think Snowden a patriotic hero (presumably because they think that it paints the…

I presume the pro-NSA Republicans and conservatives think they are taking a principled stand in defense against terrorism, even if it means standing with the Obama administration.

Most of my conservative friends and family (which are, in fact, most of my friends and family, period) are against the NSA not because of Obama, but because they are generally anti-big government and have been the "big brother is watching us" types for decades. They see this as vindication of a lifetime of accusations of paranoia from the Left.

Re: Edward Snowden SXSW live stream

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Post by exelius »

cinquemb wrote: post #23
exelius wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No; his point was that companies like Google and Facebook will never be truly secure because true security is at odds with their business model. They're advertising companies, so they need to look at your communications to serve you ads. On a private level, that's fine, because you implicitly choose to submit to this surveillance in exchange for the service, and if Google oversteps their bounds, there is legal recour…

Sure, if one thinks the Facebook's and the Google's (and future ones) only misalignment is with their business model. I think it's more fundamental than that.

I don't know it gets more fundamental than the business model. Everything about a company supports its business model; not the other way around.

Re: Edward Snowden SXSW live stream

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Post by cinquemb »

exelius wrote: post #27
cinquemb wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, if one thinks the Facebook's and the Google's (and future ones) only misalignment is with their business model. I think it's more fundamental than that.

I don't know it gets more fundamental than the business model. Everything about a company supports its business model; not the other way around.

What about the formation of any corporation? To whom does the potential corporation submit itself to? And what benefits does it receive upon incorporation even well before any business model can be in sight or capital gained?

Re: Edward Snowden SXSW live stream

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Post by untog »

1. Did he really have the US Constitution as a backdrop? Is he Saul Goodman?

2. It's a shame no-one asked him about his opinions on Russia's recent actions. I know it isn't anything to do with the revelations he exposed, but seeking asylum in Russia makes him part of the broader political game.

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