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Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

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Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

#21

Man I hate Flash. But for all the shit it gets, I can't help but be grateful for it. Because of Flash, we've had easy to use video on the Internet for a decade. It's 2014, and browsers still can't do video as well as Flash. Yes, it's time for Flash to die. But it really stepped in and moved the web forward when the browsers and W3C were too slow. It deserves an honorable discharge.

It was a huge step up over the genuinely awful RealMedia. For a while, that was the de facto standard for audio and video on the web.

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

#22

Man I hate Flash. But for all the shit it gets, I can't help but be grateful for it. Because of Flash, we've had easy to use video on the Internet for a decade. It's 2014, and browsers still can't do video as well as Flash. Yes, it's time for Flash to die. But it really stepped in and moved the web forward when the browsers and W3C were too slow. It deserves an honorable discharge.

I also hate flash, but my view is that in combination with IE, it kept the web back 10 years.

When I first started out as a dev, barely anyone knew HTML or CSS, because flash was all you needed. It's seems bizarre now but I took a lot of ridicule from people when I tried to insist on building things the standard compliant way back in 2004. I remember being told that things I had personally designed specifically to be built in HTML couldn't be done. The situation was bananas, flash had turned everyone into zombies. And while you wouldn't be fired for mentioning JavaScript, you would jump to the top of the naughty list. Advocating JavaScript back then was like advocating kiddie fiddling.

And so web standards were kept back. So browsers were held back. (Why should Microsoft make a better browser? Nobody uses HTML or CSS anyway?) and so the whole web was held back. I look at a lot of the stuff we do today, and I see no reason we couldn't have been doing it back in 2004 other than the fact that flash was easy. It's was the crack that turned the web into a digital ghetto with developers high on their own success, site owners tripping off the rich, colourful and "fully immersive experiences" (there's a phrase you don't hear anymore) of their own all singing, all dancing and utterly unusable websites. Meanwhile, users were left to scrounge around in all that dirt looking for scraps of anything barely edible.

If IE was Hitler, Flash would be Stalin. Sure Hitler was a bad guy and he shoulders all the blame, but he was rank a rank amateur compared to our friend and ally Joseph "evil personified" Stalin.

On top of all that, the flash player is a piece of junk. Always has been, always will be and I make no apologies for feeling smug when they started scrambling to get it working on mobile. "Oh no!" I would say, "have all those years of showing nothing but contempt for the people who have to run you're buggy, resource hungry piece of shit plugin left you up shit creek without a paddle?" Good riddance I say.

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

#23

Man I hate Flash. But for all the shit it gets, I can't help but be grateful for it. Because of Flash, we've had easy to use video on the Internet for a decade. It's 2014, and browsers still can't do video as well as Flash. Yes, it's time for Flash to die. But it really stepped in and moved the web forward when the browsers and W3C were too slow. It deserves an honorable discharge.

It's some kind of synergistic relationship. I don't think Flash dev planned to use it as a standalone video interface. I believe video was added first as prerendered animation embedded in flash applications. Whoever decided it would be good to use it as a video player made flash ubiquitous.

update: I take it back, Jonathan Gay (futuresplash/flash creator) was the reason behind flash video https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Gay#Flash_video:_Tin_... .. crazy

ps: in 2010 he stopped programming computer to program nature : breeding grass fed beefs http://www.coldhardflash.com/2010/05/flash-co-creator-jonath...

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

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Four years after YouTube started "experimenting" with HTML5, it still uses Flash by default to show me videos on the latest versions of Firefox and IE. If Flash is not installed, YouTube resorts to HTML5 , which seems to play just fine, but still displays a big red warning about the missing Flash. Why can't they use HTML5 by default and resort to Flash if and only if the browser doesn't support HTML5? Why do they hav…

I've noticed that videos with ads don't load in the html5 player.

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

#25
post #13

without flash my business would never take off - www.broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk . There is so far no other technology that would accurately show file download progress

The XMLHTTPRequest2 spec has a progress event for both uploads and downloads. It might not be fully supported yet[1] but there’s a path away from Flash for your business.

[1] http://caniuse.com/#feat=xhr2

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

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post #2

Four years after YouTube started "experimenting" with HTML5, it still uses Flash by default to show me videos on the latest versions of Firefox and IE. If Flash is not installed, YouTube resorts to HTML5 , which seems to play just fine, but still displays a big red warning about the missing Flash. Why can't they use HTML5 by default and resort to Flash if and only if the browser doesn't support HTML5? Why do they hav…

Funny I forgot about html5. I tried some nojs + proxy plugin that would replace flash with it, the benefits were two folds :

- lower cpu usage

- better network buffering; their latest flash player heuristics don't go along with my ISP bandwidth ~limitations.

ps: I can also try to forward the stream to vlc or mplayer/mpv in the hope it would use even less cpu.

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

#27

Man I hate Flash. But for all the shit it gets, I can't help but be grateful for it. Because of Flash, we've had easy to use video on the Internet for a decade. It's 2014, and browsers still can't do video as well as Flash. Yes, it's time for Flash to die. But it really stepped in and moved the web forward when the browsers and W3C were too slow. It deserves an honorable discharge.

I also hate flash, but my view is that in combination with IE, it kept the web back 10 years. When I first started out as a dev, barely anyone knew HTML or CSS, because flash was all you needed. It's seems bizarre now but I took a lot of ridicule from people when I tried to insist on building things the standard compliant way back in 2004. I remember being told that things I had personally designed specifically to be…

Oh, and and I don't agree that flash is better for video. I would argue that the current state of affairs, while tricker for a dev is much better for the end user. I'd also argue that back in the dark days, there was QuickTime, which was measurably and undisputedly better than flash both for developers and for end users.

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

#28
I dont hate Flash. On the scale of hate Flash doesn't even come close to Internet Explorer. I just wish it was a lot better. I also wish it was open standard. It has its chance with Apple if it wasn't eating battery like X.

It also allows games that were previously no available on the web. Its creation tools are top class compared to even today's Web Technology standard.

Re: Is Flash Dead Yet? - 2010

#30
when I was younger, Flash was in interactive web development and UI awesomeness. you couldn't get anywhere close with HTML and Javascript and Java applets were just about to die. 10 years ago we still had the Flash Festival in Paris, where I saw some of the coolest interaction concepts til now. those things weren't just websites, it was poetry! (and don't get me wrong here, I'm not stuck in the Flash age, but it really was poetry and really amazing UI)

that's about the time I started writing ActionScript and learning how to use (Macromedia) Flash to do some basic animations. I got as far as teaching myself the Flex Framework, almost had a paying customer for a Flex project, but it actually never went beyond the hobby phase. the Flash picture portfolio I wrote for myself is still out there and I love it. it's ActionScript 8.0 but I never had any compatibility issues with any browser or Flash version. I looks the same everywhere. and I bet the compiled swf file, which is still online, dates back to 2003 or something. nowadays thefwa.com has been rebranded to "the Favourite Website Award" - it used to stand for "the Flash Website Award". that's where I discovered group94.com a Belgium-based advertising agency who were writing some crazy ActionScript back then. nowadays their website has gone HTML. it looks boring. and basic. it looks just like all the other agency portfolio websites out there. it used to be funny and clever and poetic. it used to be well... flashy. take a look at the Flash scene 10 years ago and take a look at how web interaction has evolved: nowadays you want something cool, you get it parallaxed... millions of websites all taking on the same design element. the Flash websites I saw were all different in many ways. the Flash world was a place of inspiration.

I don't really remember when I stopped reading thefwa.com (which I used to do on a daily basis). I didn't really notice when Flash got replaced almost everywhere by HTML(5). I just did now. and I feel sorry for it, because Flash used to be (and still is) a great tool and a great concept.

EDIT: I'm not talking here about the mediocre Flash world. there's plenty of bad Flash websites out there. I'm talking about the glamorous one. and in my opinion the glamorous Flash world from 5-10 years ago is still more artsy than the glamorous HTML5 world nowadays.

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