Early Thoughts on Atom • Hacker News Board

Re: Early Thoughts on Atom

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Post by jimhart3000 » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 6:57 PM UTC

canthonytucci wrote: post #16

jimhart3000 wrote: post #13

Anyone know how quickly they're adding people to the beta at this point? Should I hold my breath on the invite I requested, or should I stop reading these articles that are making me increasingly jealous? :)

put your email in your profile :) or just email me. I have one left.

I don't see your email, but I added to mine. (gmail, jimhart3000). :)

Re: Early Thoughts on Atom

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Post by worldsayshi » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 7:04 PM UTC

dchuk wrote: post #19

davexunit wrote: post #15

The glaring ethical issue remains that the core of Atom is nonfree. From what I've read, the source code will be viewable but not redistributable and the public can submit pull requests. If this is true, it means that GitHub is intending to trick users into providing gratis labor for their product without retention of copyright for their contribution.

I'm not well versed in the nuances of software licensing. Are there prominent examples of other projects using a similar setup? Or is Github unique in this? Or is it a case where Github's size/reach makes them unique in this at scale?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that some Microsoft products (.Net?) have a similar setup.

Re: Early Thoughts on Atom

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Post by lispm » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 7:10 PM UTC

davexunit wrote: post #15

The glaring ethical issue remains that the core of Atom is nonfree. From what I've read, the source code will be viewable but not redistributable and the public can submit pull requests. If this is true, it means that GitHub is intending to trick users into providing gratis labor for their product without retention of copyright for their contribution.

Which would be funny, here in Germany I can't give up my Copyright.

Re: Early Thoughts on Atom

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Post by crm416 » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 7:10 PM UTC

sdegutis wrote: post #2

My real gripe with using web rendering isn't that it doesn't look native (the "native look" changes every year, so who cares if we deviate)... no, it's that it's slow and sluggish and resource-hungry. I honestly don't feel comfortable running Atom on my laptop.

Agreed. Even with small tasks, I've found Atom to be noticeably slower. Just as an anecdotal data point, it takes roughly a second to open a file or folder in Atom (i.e., after opening the app, the time b/w dragging any file or folder onto the icon and seeing it appear in the editor is about a second), while the same interval in Sublime is imperceptible.

Re: Early Thoughts on Atom

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Post by maxerickson » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 7:11 PM UTC

davexunit wrote: post #15

The glaring ethical issue remains that the core of Atom is nonfree. From what I've read, the source code will be viewable but not redistributable and the public can submit pull requests. If this is true, it means that GitHub is intending to trick users into providing gratis labor for their product without retention of copyright for their contribution.

If they are clear up front then it isn't really a trick.

If they want to distribute the contributions, they will have to make it clear up front.

Re: Early Thoughts on Atom

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Post by derefr » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 7:15 PM UTC

legohead wrote: post #18

> Is It Worth All of the Hype? Who really cares? well, me.. that's why I'm reading your blog

It's a silly question to want the answer to, though. You can tell someone everything they need to know to judge something on its merits, and they'll still ask whether it's "overhyped" or "underhyped", or, I suppose, "just the right amount of hyped."

Hype fluctuates over time and between different venues (e.g. right now Atom is being "hyped" on HN, but next month it might be the talk of /r/programming, etc.) Asking whether something is worth the hype requires the author to be aware of exactly the level of hype the reader has experienced, which requires, basically, being that individual reader.

Re: Early Thoughts on Atom

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Post by canthonytucci » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 7:19 PM UTC

jimhart3000 wrote: post #21

canthonytucci wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

put your email in your profile :) or just email me. I have one left.

I don't see your email, but I added to mine. (gmail, jimhart3000). :)

All set. Sorry, I thought because I had entered one it would just show up. Anyway, Enjoy.

Re: Early Thoughts on Atom

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Post by doughj3 » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 7:22 PM UTC

davexunit wrote: post #15

The glaring ethical issue remains that the core of Atom is nonfree. From what I've read, the source code will be viewable but not redistributable and the public can submit pull requests. If this is true, it means that GitHub is intending to trick users into providing gratis labor for their product without retention of copyright for their contribution.

GNU does the same thing.

Re: Early Thoughts on Atom

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 7:27 PM UTC

llamataboot wrote: post #4

Sorry for the grovel, but still looking for an atom invite. Would like to try it out for myself, and of course I'm impatient.

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Re: Early Thoughts on Atom

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Post by gboone42 » Fri, Feb 28, 2014, 7:31 PM UTC

The git integration could be a lot better but I like the green or amber hairlines next to the line number that give you a real-time git diff against HEAD. Cool feature. It is a bit slow, especially when opening files, I've noticed.