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Mozilla plans '$25 smartphone' for emerging markets

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Re: Mozilla plans '$25 smartphone' for emerging markets

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I hope it doesn't work out. I would hate to live in a HTML-JS only future they are trying to build. And please don't tell me about transpilation, because it's crap.

Yes, because an Objective-C or Java only future is so much brighter!

because neither Ios or Android have a web browser ! yeah...

Re: Mozilla plans '$25 smartphone' for emerging markets

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I think this is a very promising development (OLPC anyone?) but Android is cheerfully doing this organically:

"Looking at nice dual-core dual-SIM 3G Android for $30-40 wholesale. Quad-core for $100-125. And increasingly hard to tell apart from premium" (tweet from @BenedictEvans this morning).

Re: Mozilla plans '$25 smartphone' for emerging markets

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The low price is crucial - it's about emerging markets. Think Africa, Asia, South America.

Definitely. I just hope they bring it to flagship phones as well. I could see a lot of developers and open source advocates jumping on it. Especially if it had granular permission controls, which I believe Google had to bail on for backwards compatibility reasons [1]. [1] http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/13/google-removes-apps-ops-p...

The problem with flagship phones is the screens, which are high res enough that GPU acceleration of the user interface is mandatory for decent performance. Doing good enough GPU side rendering of web content is an unsolved problem, and if your devs are having to worry about it (as many mobile web devs already do) you've lost the point of using the web stack in the first place.

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There is no way a phone that can run firefox os won't also be suitable for android and visa versa. And free OS is free OS ? How does either add to the cost of the phone? Am I missing something? Not that more competition is not a better thing, I mean I love my firefox browser and only grudgingly use chrome.

I think the point is that Android has become quite resource-intensive an performs very poorly on low-end devices. Firefox-OS is intended to be extremely light and to perform well on even the most anemic hardware.

> Android has become quite resource-intensive

Some Android apps that are part of the typical Google-logo Android user experience have become resource intensive. Dalvik, even with the addition of a JIT compiler, was initially targeted at a very low resource requirement, and, apart from the JIT compiler, which is highly tuned to working in small battery powered devices, there have been no fundamental changes to the Dalvik VM until the recent release of ART as a replacement runtime.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is that Android has become quite resource-intensive an performs very poorly on low-end devices. Firefox-OS is intended to be extremely light and to perform well on even the most anemic hardware.

But how can a web browser be "extremely light" nowadays? It has to do all the complex layout rendering and JavaScript execution of pages that have ~50MB memory usage.

Opera Mini made a lightweight mobile browser by offloading some of the rendering and javascript to a proxy server.

Re: Mozilla plans '$25 smartphone' for emerging markets

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I think more than a cheap phone they need a premium phone. A good looking, high end camera packing phone that shows the best of the platform. I agree with many who state here that Android is already doing well at the low end. The sub 25 USD buyer finds such phones too complicated.

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The OLPC story kind of makes me think that announcing and planning a disruptive change when the disruption is mostly price based is a tricky strategy. I wonder if Firefox might find it easier to just pick up existing low end android models and see if they can get a better experience with Firefox OS.

The low price is crucial - it's about emerging markets. Think Africa, Asia, South America.

But the price will get there soon with or without Mozilla. Android phones are already readily available at <$40. Give it another year and chances are they'll hit $25 anyway.

Re: Mozilla plans '$25 smartphone' for emerging markets

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This is really cool, but I doubt it'll do much to the market. If the Firefox OS runs a browser brilliantly on this device, it might be a disruptor in the more developed world actually. But I find it unlikely that a low-cost smartphone with the level of power one can expect could do that (even my Nexus5 still chokes on loading some pages, chews battery running the browser, etc), so > "You're talking about a clumsy sma…

> Keep in mind that the "rest of the world" on average still runs on 2G with spotty 3G coverage

That may be true, but it is changing rapidly. Ericsson, ZTE and Huawei are all betting large on rapid 3G deployment throughout sub-Saharan Africa, for example.

Even countries like Ethiopia is seeing the start of 4G deployments.

Re: Mozilla plans '$25 smartphone' for emerging markets

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Firefox OS runs very smoothly, when being simulated on the computer. On the $70 ZTE phone, it's less than stellar, mainly because the phone has issues registering touches. Also, there are some software bugs, like momentum being saved when it should have decayed, after you lift your finger 5s later in certain scrollable views. If the newer phones have better touch screens, and the OS consistently gets improved, especi…

Many things are coming to make the UI much much more responsive:

* async pan and zoom

* `will-change` support (avoid layers flattening) progressive tiles rendering

* better texture allocation mechanism

* CSS snapping

* position: sticky

* and many gaia code improvements (reflow and lags hunting)

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