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And again this is extremely one-sided. Propagandistic even. And it makes it to the top of HN. Again. "THE POLICE IS READY TO SHOOT". But she won't say that it's with rubber slugs or that the protesters are throwing molotovs and shooting fireworks (which can deal nasty damage). Rocks are implied, I think. I tried to really dig into the affair, but it's too complicated with both sides corrupt (like it typically happens…
Before blindingly believing what the media tell us about Ukraine protests, a quick Google search about the involvement of the far right in these protests should make you weary of acting in a hurry.
@jmnicolas a quick google search will tell you that that's exactly what Russia wants you to believe. It's mostly intelligent, educated and brave people who are protesting. When on the other side it's mostly criminals (with the president who is a 2 times convicted felon). Far right is there as well, but only a minor part of the protest
And again this is extremely one-sided. Propagandistic even. And it makes it to the top of HN. Again. "THE POLICE IS READY TO SHOOT". But she won't say that it's with rubber slugs or that the protesters are throwing molotovs and shooting fireworks (which can deal nasty damage). Rocks are implied, I think. I tried to really dig into the affair, but it's too complicated with both sides corrupt (like it typically happens…
Not everyone is Gandhi or Dalai Lama.
And again this is extremely one-sided. Propagandistic even. And it makes it to the top of HN. Again. "THE POLICE IS READY TO SHOOT". But she won't say that it's with rubber slugs or that the protesters are throwing molotovs and shooting fireworks (which can deal nasty damage). Rocks are implied, I think. I tried to really dig into the affair, but it's too complicated with both sides corrupt (like it typically happens…
The current protests erupted when one of the first steps along that path was openly scuttled by Russia applying a huge amount of financial leverage.
It is true that only half of Ukraine wants to join the west, but it's also clear that this is a clash between Russian interests and that of the European-minded population in Ukraine; not with EU/US in any significant way.
There is a lot of schadenfreude going on of course because it's a huge blemish on Sochi as Putin's PR offensive and Western media are eager to rub it in as much as they can.
Ironically enough, according to rumours, this all started because Putin ordered Ukraine's president to 'fix this' before the Olympics started and the unsuccessful police crackdown started the current chain of escalations.
And again this is extremely one-sided. Propagandistic even. And it makes it to the top of HN. Again. "THE POLICE IS READY TO SHOOT". But she won't say that it's with rubber slugs or that the protesters are throwing molotovs and shooting fireworks (which can deal nasty damage). Rocks are implied, I think. I tried to really dig into the affair, but it's too complicated with both sides corrupt (like it typically happens…
Not everyone is Gandhi or Dalai Lama.
-- George Orwell
There are places on earth where mere non-violent non co-operation just can't work. Basically because no one knows what you are doing, why you are doing and what your actual story is.
If the opponent force is simply too overwhelming, powerful and has too much sway. Non violent non co operation doesn't help much.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
OK. Nice. But let's put it straight: what you have written is not contributing anything to discussion. That's like saying that USA people are dumb MacDonald eathing jerks because they have allowed NSA to happen.
Sorry, I don't see how what I said is anything like what you put forward...
OK your name contains "emo" so maybe that's why you don't get it but that's ad hominem from my side.
Lets all forget about the US trying to manipulate the outcome of these riots, already deciding who will be in power. The only reason the US and by proxy, the EU cares about the Ukraine is so they can put another load of Patriot Missiles there; to protect Europe from Iran and North Korea of course, it has nothing to do with gaining a strategic advantage over Russia. The cold war never ended.
OK. Nice. But let's put it straight: what you have written is not contributing anything to discussion. That's like saying that USA people are dumb MacDonald eathing jerks because they have allowed NSA to happen.
A good discussion generally consists of points and opinions. There, I said nothing too.
And again this is extremely one-sided. Propagandistic even. And it makes it to the top of HN. Again. "THE POLICE IS READY TO SHOOT". But she won't say that it's with rubber slugs or that the protesters are throwing molotovs and shooting fireworks (which can deal nasty damage). Rocks are implied, I think. I tried to really dig into the affair, but it's too complicated with both sides corrupt (like it typically happens…
It is time for EU to do some real actions (not sanctions...). They should propose some real alternative options, even for Yanukovich - maybe a full EU membership or something similar, bit more than just Association Agreement.