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The troubled history of the Bitcoin exchange MtGox

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Re: The troubled history of the Bitcoin exchange MtGox

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So... anyone willing to learn enough about BitCoin to build something to find all the "fixed" transactions? It shouldn't take much analysis to determine whether or not MtGox has been drained. All these articles written about what happened but no one able to just look at the blockchain and give hard numbers.

Do we actually have an exhaustive list of wallets controlled by Mt Gox though? That would seem like difficult to obtain and likely proprietary info they would not want to reveal.

Re: The troubled history of the Bitcoin exchange MtGox

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post #10

So... anyone willing to learn enough about BitCoin to build something to find all the "fixed" transactions? It shouldn't take much analysis to determine whether or not MtGox has been drained. All these articles written about what happened but no one able to just look at the blockchain and give hard numbers.

my understanding is that the TxID is a sha256 of the entire transaction, hence it would be feasibly and even rather simple to scan the blockchain for invalid transaction IDs.. however we would have no idea which ones could be attributed to mtgox

Re: The troubled history of the Bitcoin exchange MtGox

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post #20
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your unregulated financial institutions fail to take basic security measures to protect consumers, they frequently halt withdrawals without warning, your uninsured deposits are sucked into the void, your speculative 'currency' experiences extreme daily deflation and inflation... Better blame proprietary software. Whatever you do, don't question your assumptions. And under no circumstances should you think about the f…

I heard of a cool tech called the dollar so I figured, what the heck, I'll give it a try. Turns out they try to make you spend it by continually inflating the supply of them out there with no end. In order to keep your head above water, you have to put in a "bank". Fine, it compensates you for the loss of purchasing power, so no biggie, right? Wrong. They actually lend out the dollars that are supposed to be in your…

Amount of losses due to depositary institution failure since 1934:

$0.

This is a rather good record compared to bitcoin.

Re: The troubled history of the Bitcoin exchange MtGox

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post #15
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is to the point. In a low trust environment transparency and reputation will be the biggest influencers.

And this, this statement is why I believe that Bitcoin or really any cryptocurrency will never have more than a fraction of a fraction of 1% of any transactions, and will never take off in the mainstream. The reason that people use fiat currencies is because they can trust the institution/government backing them. They can trust that if they are handed a dollar by a business, it's a dollar, no questions asked. If folk…

What does "legit" mean exactly? You can cryptographically verify every transaction.

Re: The troubled history of the Bitcoin exchange MtGox

#25
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard of a cool tech called the dollar so I figured, what the heck, I'll give it a try. Turns out they try to make you spend it by continually inflating the supply of them out there with no end. In order to keep your head above water, you have to put in a "bank". Fine, it compensates you for the loss of purchasing power, so no biggie, right? Wrong. They actually lend out the dollars that are supposed to be in your…

Amount of losses due to depositary institution failure since 1934: $0. This is a rather good record compared to bitcoin.

Amount of losses of Bitcoin since 2015:

0 BTC.

Not bad!

Re: The troubled history of the Bitcoin exchange MtGox

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post #20
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your unregulated financial institutions fail to take basic security measures to protect consumers, they frequently halt withdrawals without warning, your uninsured deposits are sucked into the void, your speculative 'currency' experiences extreme daily deflation and inflation... Better blame proprietary software. Whatever you do, don't question your assumptions. And under no circumstances should you think about the f…

I heard of a cool tech called the dollar so I figured, what the heck, I'll give it a try. Turns out they try to make you spend it by continually inflating the supply of them out there with no end. In order to keep your head above water, you have to put in a "bank". Fine, it compensates you for the loss of purchasing power, so no biggie, right? Wrong. They actually lend out the dollars that are supposed to be in your…

meh ...

"those that can get the political connections" ... if you have the capital and do the paperwork and follow the regs, you can start a bank and get access to the discount window.

"insurance fund couldn't handle yada yada yada" ... the FDIC is implicitly backed by the full faith and credit of the US government. As long as the Treasury exists and has the ability to tax and borrow, your deposit is money good up to FDIC limits.

if you're going to invent new money, makes sense to understand the existing money, and try not to invent something worse.

Re: The troubled history of the Bitcoin exchange MtGox

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard of a cool tech called the dollar so I figured, what the heck, I'll give it a try. Turns out they try to make you spend it by continually inflating the supply of them out there with no end. In order to keep your head above water, you have to put in a "bank". Fine, it compensates you for the loss of purchasing power, so no biggie, right? Wrong. They actually lend out the dollars that are supposed to be in your…

meh ... "those that can get the political connections" ... if you have the capital and do the paperwork and follow the regs, you can start a bank and get access to the discount window. "insurance fund couldn't handle yada yada yada" ... the FDIC is implicitly backed by the full faith and credit of the US government. As long as the Treasury exists and has the ability to tax and borrow, your deposit is money good up to…

> ... if you have the capital and do the paperwork and follow the regs, you can start a bank and get access to the discount window.

Not true. There's this little extra step where first the regulatory authority gets to decide whether your state needs another bank.

Re: The troubled history of the Bitcoin exchange MtGox

#28
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard of a cool tech called the dollar so I figured, what the heck, I'll give it a try. Turns out they try to make you spend it by continually inflating the supply of them out there with no end. In order to keep your head above water, you have to put in a "bank". Fine, it compensates you for the loss of purchasing power, so no biggie, right? Wrong. They actually lend out the dollars that are supposed to be in your…

Amount of losses due to depositary institution failure since 1934: $0. This is a rather good record compared to bitcoin.

Whaaa? Deposits over $100K (now $250K) were uninsured.

Re: The troubled history of the Bitcoin exchange MtGox

#29
post #5

I still cannot believe anyone has any "real" money tied up in something like MtGox. Disturbing, stunning.

In other news that may also surprise you, there are people who put millions of dollars into companies that don't even have working products yet.

I'm one of those dummies stucking with mtgox (BTC frozen, € still "on it's way" home). It eases the pain, to be part of it. This wild west will disappear, but there has to be beginning. I believe in freedom and the banking system isn't. It isn't stabilizing our economy, it furthers a cleptocracy and destabilizes the system. Banksters even get premiums for that and when they fail, a bailout, just to take their premiums from there.

That makes such woes some sort of contribution towards a better economy.

Re: The troubled history of the Bitcoin exchange MtGox

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amount of losses due to depositary institution failure since 1934: $0. This is a rather good record compared to bitcoin.

Whaaa? Deposits over $100K (now $250K) were uninsured.

They guarantee up to that amount but so far have been covering the full amount due to the negligible difference overall IIRC.
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