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European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by [deleted] »

louhike wrote: post #11
forgotAgain wrote: post #9

Like the governance in England where the government decides what you should be watching? Perhaps they'll uses the French model and make it illegal to say anything critical about the French government. Or perhaps they'll adopt the Turkish attitude of jail time for those who speak the truth (if Turkey gets into the EU). How are they better than the American model of Uncle Sam lurking in the background of everyone's liv…

As a french, I'm quite surprised about what you are saying for France. We have a lot of satirical newspapers, TV shows, etc. Where have you seen that?

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Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by cLeEOGPw »

I don't know whether to agree with this or not. On one hand, a control point can easily be exploited by governments to censor and control users. On other, uncontrolled internet tends to form around where money is. And money is again in the governments that have enough to turn internet to their advantage. EC would be better after all, because that way we have to fight not with multibillion dollars of investments from large governments, but with votes while electing commission members.

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Post by weddpros »

louhike wrote: post #11
forgotAgain wrote: post #9

Like the governance in England where the government decides what you should be watching? Perhaps they'll uses the French model and make it illegal to say anything critical about the French government. Or perhaps they'll adopt the Turkish attitude of jail time for those who speak the truth (if Turkey gets into the EU). How are they better than the American model of Uncle Sam lurking in the background of everyone's liv…

As a french, I'm quite surprised about what you are saying for France. We have a lot of satirical newspapers, TV shows, etc. Where have you seen that?

You can read (in french: http://hollande-demission.fr/) how the government BURNT protesters' banner... and other similar illegal actions, like taking "stealing" their car with no legal ground (they pretend "Hollande démission" is an ad) This group calls for the dismissal (démission) of president Hollande.

Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by davidnu »

Signez wrote: post #16
forgotAgain wrote: post #9

Like the governance in England where the government decides what you should be watching? Perhaps they'll uses the French model and make it illegal to say anything critical about the French government. Or perhaps they'll adopt the Turkish attitude of jail time for those who speak the truth (if Turkey gets into the EU). How are they better than the American model of Uncle Sam lurking in the background of everyone's liv…

> make it illegal to say anything critical about the French government. What? I'm sorry but I think you don't know anything about France, french politics, citizens or whatever related to the Hexagon.

You don't have a free speech clause in your constitutions that is above all else (neither does the UK). You ban or at least attempt to ban questionable comedy/satire. You have ridiculous liable laws (so does the UK). You're government mustn't be allowed within a mile (1.60934 km) of an Internet governing body.

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Post by sdfjkl »

"Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Declaration_of_the_Independen...

Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by GunlogAlm »

forgotAgain wrote: post #9

Like the governance in England where the government decides what you should be watching? Perhaps they'll uses the French model and make it illegal to say anything critical about the French government. Or perhaps they'll adopt the Turkish attitude of jail time for those who speak the truth (if Turkey gets into the EU). How are they better than the American model of Uncle Sam lurking in the background of everyone's liv…

> in England where the government decides what you should be watching

ISPs voluntarily (yes, voluntarily) agreed to ask new customers if they want to block certain categories of content (gambling, violence, adult material, etc.).

This is not censorship. At first I could understand some people being ignorant of the situation and assuming it was some Firewall of China for porn, but now it's taking the piss.

Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by SEMW »

davidnu wrote: post #24
Signez wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> make it illegal to say anything critical about the French government. What? I'm sorry but I think you don't know anything about France, french politics, citizens or whatever related to the Hexagon.

You don't have a free speech clause in your constitutions that is above all else (neither does the UK). You ban or at least attempt to ban questionable comedy/satire. You have ridiculous liable laws (so does the UK). You're government mustn't be allowed within a mile (1.60934 km) of an Internet governing body.

> You don't have a free speech clause in your constitutions that is above all else (neither does the UK)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_10_of_the_European_Conv...

Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by arethuza »

davidnu wrote: post #24
Signez wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> make it illegal to say anything critical about the French government. What? I'm sorry but I think you don't know anything about France, french politics, citizens or whatever related to the Hexagon.

You don't have a free speech clause in your constitutions that is above all else (neither does the UK). You ban or at least attempt to ban questionable comedy/satire. You have ridiculous liable laws (so does the UK). You're government mustn't be allowed within a mile (1.60934 km) of an Internet governing body.

I think you mean libel and England and Wales rather than the UK.

Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by StavrosK »

GunlogAlm wrote: post #26
forgotAgain wrote: post #9

Like the governance in England where the government decides what you should be watching? Perhaps they'll uses the French model and make it illegal to say anything critical about the French government. Or perhaps they'll adopt the Turkish attitude of jail time for those who speak the truth (if Turkey gets into the EU). How are they better than the American model of Uncle Sam lurking in the background of everyone's liv…

> in England where the government decides what you should be watching ISPs voluntarily (yes, voluntarily) agreed to ask new customers if they want to block certain categories of content (gambling, violence, adult material, etc.). This is not censorship. At first I could understand some people being ignorant of the situation and assuming it was some Firewall of China for porn, but now it's taking the piss.

That's true, so I think the "omg big brother" people should calm down a bit. That having been said, this is the first step to softening people up so they'll accept more stringent/imposed censorship down the line, so it's still something we should argue against (but misrepresenting the issue does us no favors, I agree).
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