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Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by Zigurd »

JVIDEL wrote: post #17

I'll never understand why Nokia thought that going with WP was a better strategy than forking android like amazon did. Think about it: it would have the openness and stability of Linux with the single hardware configuration and quality of the iPhone, total win-win. Now they are going to android as the cheap option which means only crappy hardware that only "looks" like a lumia. Had Nokia gone the other way it would b…

It was all about Stephen Elop's career trajectory, which was supposed to land him where Satya Nadella is now.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by touristtam »

untog wrote: post #16
Zigurd wrote: post #14

I predict this will last 5 minutes after the Nokia deal closes. This is a thumb in the eye to Microsoft by people who will also leave that part of Nokia immediately after the deal closes. They will leave with the knowledge and experience of how to integrate an Android based product with Nokia (maps, multimedia, app store) and Microsoft (Bing search, Skype) ecosystem elements. I would bet they know at least 5 OEMs in…

Honestly, it sounds like a bad proposition overall. What is Windows Phone lacking? Apps. What will the Nokia Android phone lack? The Google Play store. Hmm.

Other Android based phone are being sold without the Google Play Store, and still sell very well. Disclaimer: those are mostly phone developed for the Chinese market where the Google Play Store is not allowed to be bundle with the phone. See Xiaomi for an example.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by skc »

It's pretty odd.

I think it's fair to say that the only handset makers profiting off of Android today are...Samsung...and...that's about it really. Meager pickings for the rest of them.

I don't see this succeeding at all. And in any case it's dead in the water once the Microsoft deal goes through because it just muddies the waters. A person that buys one of these cheap Nokia/Android phones would reasonably expect that "upgrading" to Nokias "premium" Lumia handsets will mean his apps/features carry over too.

Oops.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by nextos »

JVIDEL wrote: post #17

I'll never understand why Nokia thought that going with WP was a better strategy than forking android like amazon did. Think about it: it would have the openness and stability of Linux with the single hardware configuration and quality of the iPhone, total win-win. Now they are going to android as the cheap option which means only crappy hardware that only "looks" like a lumia. Had Nokia gone the other way it would b…

Or going full steam ahead with their Maemo / MeeGo which Elop killed. It was an excellent product: http://www.theverge.com/2011/10/22/2506376/nokia-n9-review.

In fact, N9s still retail for pretty high amounts despite being unsupported and outdated hardware.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by DrJokepu »

_random_ wrote: post #15
dserban wrote: post #5

Linus Torvalds once said: "If Microsoft ever starts developing apps for Linux, it means I won." Is this close enough?

Won what? Besides Nokia is not really Microsoft and Android is not really a Linux, so the answer is probably "not really".

If uname(2) says it’s Linux, it has to be Linux.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by wmf »

jemeshsu wrote: post #6

I hope one day Nokia will release Windows Phone Bootcamp for those Nokia Android phone. Similar to how one bootcamp to Windows from Mac OS X. If MS has its own Android stores/platform, its a win-win.

Supposedly Nokia is only building Android phones because Windows Phone 8 won't fit on low-end hardware.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by catern »

icebraining wrote: post #20
dman wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For all those who dream of running emacs on their phone, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die.

Hum, an emacs native port for Android has been out for quite a while now [1]. Android is just a Linux system with a weird libc and windowing system. [1] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsOnAndroid

Unfortunately, this "port" is just running ordinary terminal Emacs inside of an Android terminal application. So it's pretty buggy and annoying to use; and you might as well just run it in a chroot.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by ben336 »

kremlin wrote: post #11

I'd read all those 'Microsoft should fork Android' discussions that have been appearing on HN lately, but I never remotely saw it coming to fruition. Interesting development...

this isn't Microsoft. This was Nokia's thing and started before Microsoft bought them.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by hbharadwaj »

nextos wrote: post #24
JVIDEL wrote: post #17

I'll never understand why Nokia thought that going with WP was a better strategy than forking android like amazon did. Think about it: it would have the openness and stability of Linux with the single hardware configuration and quality of the iPhone, total win-win. Now they are going to android as the cheap option which means only crappy hardware that only "looks" like a lumia. Had Nokia gone the other way it would b…

Or going full steam ahead with their Maemo / MeeGo which Elop killed. It was an excellent product: http://www.theverge.com/2011/10/22/2506376/nokia-n9-review . In fact, N9s still retail for pretty high amounts despite being unsupported and outdated hardware.

Thank god none of you are in charge. Just kidding or am I?

Elop played the game straight forward. Forking is a half baked option and when you are leveraging your company, forking is not an option. You need full scale OS support and that means, Nokia could have either gone with MS or Google. Google apparently refused to make space for Nokia's competing service suite (Read-Business Week) and as such, the option was only MS. I know the hate is strong for MS in this community but it's way too illogical to think one man alone could have played his tactics and strategies to influence Nokia to switch to a MS OS for his career progression.

Meego was ruled out as an option as well. A tech-pretty thing may not always work out. WebOS taught us that lesson. So conspiracy theories are pretty meaningless.

Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Post by nextos »

hbharadwaj wrote: post #29
nextos wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or going full steam ahead with their Maemo / MeeGo which Elop killed. It was an excellent product: http://www.theverge.com/2011/10/22/2506376/nokia-n9-review . In fact, N9s still retail for pretty high amounts despite being unsupported and outdated hardware.

Thank god none of you are in charge. Just kidding or am I? Elop played the game straight forward. Forking is a half baked option and when you are leveraging your company, forking is not an option. You need full scale OS support and that means, Nokia could have either gone with MS or Google. Google apparently refused to make space for Nokia's competing service suite (Read-Business Week) and as such, the option was onl…

MeeGo works fine. I use it everyday. It would have given Nokia independence. The Windows choice was simply a trojan horse strategy.
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