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Why Mt. Gox, the World’s First Bitcoin Exchange, is Dying

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Re: Why Mt. Gox, the World’s First Bitcoin Exchange, is Dying

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Dear god, I hope so.

Mtgox is the giant raging zit on the face of Bitcoin. The software and service are so terribly, inexcusably bad, and they have always been that way. The market price on Mtgox has been artificially high ever since I can remember, because no one can withdraw their money. Users wait for their withdrawals for weeks, and sometimes months. As a result, a dollar in your Mtgox account is worth less than a dollar. Now it is artificially low, because people can't transact Bitcoins either! The other exchanges, meanwhile, tend to agree pretty closely, because it is actually possible to move bitcoins and dollars between them.

Imagine if ETrade, say, was so bad at moving money that you had to pay an extra $100 for a share of Google stock. That's what it's like. Or if everyone used Google's DNS servers but they typically took 3 seconds to respond. And yet people use Mtgox, and talk about it, and it's listed on all the sites and apps that track the market price on different exchanges.

At first, everyone chalked up Mtgox's problems to the sheer difficulty of running a Bitcoin exchange, and then, to the difficulty of running the biggest. Well, now it's no longer the only or the biggest exchange, and no one else is having the same problems, at least at this service-destroying level. I can't comment on the difficulty of establishing relationships with banks to move millions of dollars -- I'm sure it's hard -- but Mtgox has also had a lot of plain old scaling issues, and the transaction load is not even that high by web scaling standards. Last time I checked it was 30 per second or so. Their security is nothing special; they've been hacked before. I have heard only negative things about their engineering competence.

I'm a casual fan of Bitcoin but a big hater of bad software, bad customer service, and companies that act in a sleazy manner. I hope Mtgox dies.

Re: Why Mt. Gox, the World’s First Bitcoin Exchange, is Dying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also, there is very minimal danger of a bank run. MtGox makes a profit off of every transaction. Therefore they control more BTC than users are able to deposit. Hence, since Magical Tux (the owner) is motivated not to go to jail, he will not run off with people's BTC. What if the technical problems lead to a situation where they are short BTC? Your link mentions they could have double paid people which would lead t…

The only reason I have confidence is because two years ago Magical Tux began transferring around 440k bitcoins in order to prove ownership of those coins: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/n4a2o/someone_has_b... If he had 440k coins then, imagine how many he has now. Yes, he could have lost a lot, but on the other hand we'd probably have heard if someone pulled off that kind of heist. Here's how I expect thing…

If he had 440k coins then, imagine how many he has now.

Those ~440,000 Bitcoin were property of the Mt. Gox traders, not Mt. Gox the company.

Mt. Gox was moving the money publicly in a show of good faith that they still controlled it.

They have yet to do that in this new case.

For all we know, Mt. Gox could have sent the ~40,000 missing Bitcoin to an unrecoverable/non-existant address by mistake.

Re: Why Mt. Gox, the World’s First Bitcoin Exchange, is Dying

#23

This is FUD. As incredible as it seems, MtGox's problems are, in fact, technical. And it was quite a relief to realize this. Also, there is minimal danger of a bank run. MtGox makes a profit off of every transaction. Therefore they control more BTC than users are able to deposit. Hence, since Magical Tux (the owner) is motivated not to go to jail, he will not run off with people's BTC. For anyone who wants the truth,…

I don't know what will happen to MtGox, but you sound just like the SheepMarketPlace defenders when they kept coming up with all kinds of ways to downplay all the events leading up to SMP's disappearing act. I don't know how you're so sure they won't fall into oblivion. They've been a big mess for months.

Anyone else reading this who's new to crypto-coins, at the _minimum_ I do not recommend you send any of your coins/fiat to MtGox at this time.

Re: Why Mt. Gox, the World’s First Bitcoin Exchange, is Dying

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This is FUD. As incredible as it seems, MtGox's problems are, in fact, technical. And it was quite a relief to realize this. Also, there is minimal danger of a bank run. MtGox makes a profit off of every transaction. Therefore they control more BTC than users are able to deposit. Hence, since Magical Tux (the owner) is motivated not to go to jail, he will not run off with people's BTC. For anyone who wants the truth,…

The correct way to assuage uncertainty about insolvency is to submit to a financial audit from a reputable auditor.

Re: Why Mt. Gox, the World’s First Bitcoin Exchange, is Dying

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Looks like a Bank Run? Bitcoin exchanges that engage in some kind of fractional scheme need insurance coverage. I don't know if Mt Gox is doing that, but it kind of smells like they don't have enough BTC on hand to allow withdrawls. On the upside, Bitcoin seems like a perfect laboratory to re-run the experiments in banking leading up to the 1930s when you know, the "communist" FDR imposed banking regulations which ar…

How would they not have enough BTC on hand? It's not like they loan it out like banks.

They can have it stolen. They can covert it to USD and spend it on operations.

Re: Why Mt. Gox, the World’s First Bitcoin Exchange, is Dying

#26

This is FUD. As incredible as it seems, MtGox's problems are, in fact, technical. And it was quite a relief to realize this. Also, there is minimal danger of a bank run. MtGox makes a profit off of every transaction. Therefore they control more BTC than users are able to deposit. Hence, since Magical Tux (the owner) is motivated not to go to jail, he will not run off with people's BTC. For anyone who wants the truth,…

How did MtGox get freshly-minted coins if they can't be transferred?

Re: Why Mt. Gox, the World’s First Bitcoin Exchange, is Dying

#27

This is FUD. As incredible as it seems, MtGox's problems are, in fact, technical. And it was quite a relief to realize this. Also, there is minimal danger of a bank run. MtGox makes a profit off of every transaction. Therefore they control more BTC than users are able to deposit. Hence, since Magical Tux (the owner) is motivated not to go to jail, he will not run off with people's BTC. For anyone who wants the truth,…

  "Hence, since Magical Tux (the owner) is motivated not to go to jail, he will not run off with people's BTC."
Weird, I wonder what all of those bank robbers are motivated by... money, sure, but I'm pretty sure they aren't itching to go to jail either.

Re: Why Mt. Gox, the World’s First Bitcoin Exchange, is Dying

#28

Looks like a Bank Run? Bitcoin exchanges that engage in some kind of fractional scheme need insurance coverage. I don't know if Mt Gox is doing that, but it kind of smells like they don't have enough BTC on hand to allow withdrawls. On the upside, Bitcoin seems like a perfect laboratory to re-run the experiments in banking leading up to the 1930s when you know, the "communist" FDR imposed banking regulations which ar…

First we liked Bitcoin because it had low transaction costs. Then Bitcoin became more valuable, and we decided that we "need insurance coverage." Now we are headed back where we started: insurance isn't free, and it's sort of the main reason why other payment systems have higher costs.

Re: Why Mt. Gox, the World’s First Bitcoin Exchange, is Dying

#30

This is FUD. As incredible as it seems, MtGox's problems are, in fact, technical. And it was quite a relief to realize this. Also, there is minimal danger of a bank run. MtGox makes a profit off of every transaction. Therefore they control more BTC than users are able to deposit. Hence, since Magical Tux (the owner) is motivated not to go to jail, he will not run off with people's BTC. For anyone who wants the truth,…

>Hence, since Magical Tux (the owner) is motivated not to go to jail, he will not run off with people's BTC.

Except if, like every fraudster ever, he believes that he has a good plan to run off AND avoid going to jail. I mean, what kind of bizarro logic is this? Are we supposed to listen to further "rational" arguments now?

Also, seriously, people place their money (in whatever form) in someone who calls himself "Magical Tux"?

A guy whose profile in Twitter reads "PHP Developer working on some weird stuff, like a mail server (POP3/IMAP4/SMTP) written in PHP"? Sure, that inspires confidence in a money exchange. Might as well invest your money directly to that Nigerian prince too.

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