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Re: Google chrome – Global marketshare by version

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

soup10 wrote: post #2

Pretty sick, chrome makes it clear that silent updates can definitely be a good thing if used appropriately. Compare to the sad new version adoption rates for pretty much all microsoft products.

If used appropriately indeed. Chrome is a relatively safe thing to auto-update, since they have a very good QC process and most PCs have a fallback browser if things do go bad (which afaik hasn't happened yet).

Compare with for example auto-updating virus scanners, which in more than one occasion marked a critical system file as a virus and made people's computers unable to boot up. Caused a lot of damage.

Re: Google chrome – Global marketshare by version

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Post by frik »

nivla wrote: post #6
soup10 wrote: post #2

Pretty sick, chrome makes it clear that silent updates can definitely be a good thing if used appropriately. Compare to the sad new version adoption rates for pretty much all microsoft products.

Although I do agree with you that silent updates are a far better choice, its not perfect, sometimes it can introduce unexpected changes. Let's take for example the latest Chrome update (v32). It replaces the OS based scrollbar with a custom one. It also removes the ^v arrows around it. As someone who regularly uses them, it breaks my workflow :( .Sad but I can live with it. Had it ended there it would have been acce…

Sadly, Chrome v32 has several bugs (regressions) and the unpleasant Mac-style scrollbar on Windows.

Chrome 32 also introduced a WebGL related bug where it calculates the view matrix wrong in combination with mouse-lock.

They fixed it already in Canary build, but where is the QA department? They should push such bug (regression) fixes back! Or push out a new major version.

Re: Google chrome – Global marketshare by version

#23

Post by afsina »

ygra wrote: post #16
afsina wrote: post #15

Weekend down spikes in IE confirms Business is still forced to use old versions of it. http://clicky.com/marketshare/global/web-browsers/internet-e...

Uhm, the Chrome graphs show down spikes on weekends too.

http://clicky.com/marketshare/global/web-browsers/ shows otherwise.

Re: Google chrome – Global marketshare by version

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Post by ygra »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #19
ygra wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhm, the Chrome graphs show down spikes on weekends too.

Are you sure? The graphs are difficult to read for me but on this one: http://clicky.com/marketshare/global/web-browsers/ The highs and lows for IE (orange) match the opposite for Chrome (pale blue). You can hover over them to get a specific date and then check the other. You can see this in other data sets too: http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-browser-ww-daily-20131229...

Ah, granted, on that graph it's visible. But the linked one showed weekend dips. Weird.

Re: Google chrome – Global marketshare by version

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Post by Daiz »

nivla wrote: post #6
soup10 wrote: post #2

Pretty sick, chrome makes it clear that silent updates can definitely be a good thing if used appropriately. Compare to the sad new version adoption rates for pretty much all microsoft products.

Although I do agree with you that silent updates are a far better choice, its not perfect, sometimes it can introduce unexpected changes. Let's take for example the latest Chrome update (v32). It replaces the OS based scrollbar with a custom one. It also removes the ^v arrows around it. As someone who regularly uses them, it breaks my workflow :( .Sad but I can live with it. Had it ended there it would have been acce…

Chrome 32 really is a terrible update with some major regressions all over the place, all (apparently) for the sake of some custom scrollbars. To add onto the list of issues, popup windows (including things like Chrome dev tools in their own window) constantly pop up a "Page is not responding" error, despite working just fine. Same for any Chrome apps that you might be running in their own windows.

I switched to Canary for the time being because 32 is just awful. Canary has saner scrollbars and also lacks the annoying slow zoom transition when opening dropdown menus (seriously, who the hell though that was a good idea). They really should hotfix the hell out of 32 ASAP.

Might just actually go back to Firefox one of these days, because Chrome is going into some annoying directions in general.

Re: Google chrome – Global marketshare by version

#27

Post by josteink »

frik wrote: post #22
nivla wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although I do agree with you that silent updates are a far better choice, its not perfect, sometimes it can introduce unexpected changes. Let's take for example the latest Chrome update (v32). It replaces the OS based scrollbar with a custom one. It also removes the ^v arrows around it. As someone who regularly uses them, it breaks my workflow :( .Sad but I can live with it. Had it ended there it would have been acce…

Sadly, Chrome v32 has several bugs (regressions) and the unpleasant Mac-style scrollbar on Windows. Chrome 32 also introduced a WebGL related bug where it calculates the view matrix wrong in combination with mouse-lock. They fixed it already in Canary build, but where is the QA department? They should push such bug (regression) fixes back! Or push out a new major version.

Sadly, Chrome v32 has several bugs (regressions) and the unpleasant Mac-style scrollbar on Windows.

I think there are quite a few people in the industry (and in SF especially) who seems to think that a Mac esthetic is universally accepted as a superior thing.

It's not. Not by a mile.

Consistency is superior. Breaking consistency is bad, always. So adapt to the platform. Adding custom code just to break with platform-conventions is just a mind-boggling thing to do.

Maybe someone should start forcing engineers at Google to use Windows so they get back down to earth?

Edit: I'd just like to add I react the same way when I see Android-apps which are forcing iOS-conventions on me. It completely kills my work-flow and those apps tends to get uninstalled pretty quickly.

Re: Google chrome – Global marketshare by version

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Post by rtpg »

sdfx wrote: post #13
arocks wrote: post #9

The Firefox graph [1] also looks strikingly similar after introducing Silent Updates since Apr. The trend of 'Move Fast And Break Things' seems to be coming from the web applications world into the world of installed applications. Users seem to be more adaptable to change that previously thought. This is of course thanks to better testing tools which ensures that essential functionality is not compromised by such cha…

And releasing more often means that the changes are smaller. Also, developers have introduced a more clever way of introducing changes to the user. Overlays with explanations of new menus etc. which I've seen first on the web (i.e. gmail) are making their way to more and more "desktop" applications. Introducing these changes slowly over time seems to avoid the "I will never install this version" effect.

the interesting counter though is that people end up being more likely to be "stuck" with something they really don't like, and get to have it happen in slow motion (see the gripes about gmail).

I wonder if that that makes it easier or harder to convince people to use alternative software

Re: Google chrome – Global marketshare by version

#30

Post by scholia »

Daiz wrote: post #26
nivla wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although I do agree with you that silent updates are a far better choice, its not perfect, sometimes it can introduce unexpected changes. Let's take for example the latest Chrome update (v32). It replaces the OS based scrollbar with a custom one. It also removes the ^v arrows around it. As someone who regularly uses them, it breaks my workflow :( .Sad but I can live with it. Had it ended there it would have been acce…

Chrome 32 really is a terrible update with some major regressions all over the place, all (apparently) for the sake of some custom scrollbars. To add onto the list of issues, popup windows ( including things like Chrome dev tools in their own window ) constantly pop up a "Page is not responding" error, despite working just fine. Same for any Chrome apps that you might be running in their own windows. I switched to Ca…

I went back to Firefox 7 months ago. That was when it became better than Chrome: faster, more stable, consumes fewer resources, supports more tabs, better UI.
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