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Oracle Killed Java

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Re: Oracle Killed Java

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post #4

Orcale does not care about the desktop - and Sun never managed to make it user-friendly (e.g. annoying Java Updater popups on every start, trying to install the ask toolbar, etc). However, Java will stay significant on servers and on Android (as Dalvik).

But Dalvik is not Oracle's thing.

Re: Oracle Killed Java

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that Oracle now tries to make you install Ask malware (adware? Same thing..) with every "So you want to get security fixes, eh?" updates.. No, the title's totally fine. Oracle sucks balls and killed Java. I'm still having it installed (interested in Clojure, for example), but I actively make sure that people around me Do Not Use It. Java as a platform on the desktop was killed by the company that is a) unable t…

Pretty sure Sun was doing Ask Toolbars with Java installs [1]. And Ask Toolbars are not malware, they're not even adware. They don't compromise your computer. The shady thing it does is change your default search engine to an Ask.com search result that has more, and less noticeable ads. That's a pretty shitty thing, not user friendly, but it's not "malware" and it's not "adware." I worked on the Ask Toolbar and there…

Changing the default search engine in a user's browser when they did not consciously ask for it counts as malicious data corruption in my book. Can you even begin to imagine how much damage and confusion that causes for "old people"?

Re: Oracle Killed Java

#23
post #2

Yet another link-bait title... It should be 'Oracle killed Java APPLETS'

Well... it's certainly killing applets, but applications that run on the JRE are going to have a tough time as well.

I have a few applications that suddenly started popping up warnings that they may stop working in a future Java release, because of a missing property in the JAR manifest (no joke, the warning actually included technical language something like this).

Certainly, though, server-side Java is hale & hearty as ever.

Re: Oracle Killed Java

#24
post #13

When the author claims self-signed applets run in a sandbox, I believe that's incorrect. Even the warning shows the sandbox becomes disabled.

Yeah, that's wrong.

UNsigned applets by default run in the sandbox; signed applets (including self-signed) run with full permissions unless you specify otherwise in the HTML and in the JAR manifest (where you can explicitly request sandbox-only execution).

Re: Oracle Killed Java

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Would it be a possibility of having a 3rd party Java app registrar which isn't Oracle, using OpenJDK? Because $300 a year is a little steep, the open source community could do this much more efficiently.

It's not neccessarily $300/year.

I got a code-signing cert (for the applets at eMusicTheory.com) for $75 plus the annoyance of proving my company was legitimate. Here's the guide I used as a starting point: http://srcbin.blogspot.fr/2010/04/tucowscomodo-code-signing-...

People who want to make a point about the awfulness of an option they're not taking don't usually search very hard to find the best price.

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