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Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by avalaunch »

cbhl wrote: post #14
dewitt wrote: post #4

Is the "bro" intended to be ironic, or are the creators actually not aware that the term is used to represent the worst (most misogynistic, most crass, least mature, least dependable) people currently flocking to the industry? It is by its very definition exclusionary. I suppose "brogrammers" might be a target audience, but the concept of the tool itself is pretty good for just about anyone. Shame about the name.

I suspect it's supposed to be a pun on "man". The only other tool in this space that comes to mind is GNU's "info"... What name would you have given the tool?

How about Xpages? X for example but also to provide a nice counter to manpages?

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by noname123 »

dewitt wrote: post #4

Is the "bro" intended to be ironic, or are the creators actually not aware that the term is used to represent the worst (most misogynistic, most crass, least mature, least dependable) people currently flocking to the industry? It is by its very definition exclusionary. I suppose "brogrammers" might be a target audience, but the concept of the tool itself is pretty good for just about anyone. Shame about the name.

Like the "bro" IRL, this "bro" cuts through the tedious BS explanations given by the mainstream PC "man" and gets straight to the point what a real "man" needs to know to get the job done.

"Bro," don't ever change who you are! OP doesn't even lift brah and he probably reads and memorizes all the argument lists of curl/gcc for fun.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by fennecfoxen »

liquidzoot wrote: post #17
cbhl wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect it's supposed to be a pun on "man". The only other tool in this space that comes to mind is GNU's "info"... What name would you have given the tool?

Literally anything else.

Are you man enough to use `girl` pages?

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by hobs »

dewitt wrote: post #4

Is the "bro" intended to be ironic, or are the creators actually not aware that the term is used to represent the worst (most misogynistic, most crass, least mature, least dependable) people currently flocking to the industry? It is by its very definition exclusionary. I suppose "brogrammers" might be a target audience, but the concept of the tool itself is pretty good for just about anyone. Shame about the name.

I think the tool itself is a bit tongue in cheek, because some would say that doing things by example is definitely a brogrammer thing to do, instead of understanding everything that makes up a command.

The reality being that reading 20 pages to learn how to use one command that you may not use in your day to day is (to me) a silly waste almost all of the time.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by asdashopping »

belluchan wrote: post #16
dewitt wrote: post #4

Is the "bro" intended to be ironic, or are the creators actually not aware that the term is used to represent the worst (most misogynistic, most crass, least mature, least dependable) people currently flocking to the industry? It is by its very definition exclusionary. I suppose "brogrammers" might be a target audience, but the concept of the tool itself is pretty good for just about anyone. Shame about the name.

Indeed, man is short for manual. It has nothing to do with men, or beards or bros crushing code. The term "bro" when it comes to programming really needs to go away.

The fact that man is short for manual is irrelevant, although I also dislike the term "bro".

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by dictum »

dewitt wrote: post #4

Is the "bro" intended to be ironic, or are the creators actually not aware that the term is used to represent the worst (most misogynistic, most crass, least mature, least dependable) people currently flocking to the industry? It is by its very definition exclusionary. I suppose "brogrammers" might be a target audience, but the concept of the tool itself is pretty good for just about anyone. Shame about the name.

I know someone who can't eat apples (I don't know the exact reason) but she enjoys her iPad, so there's that.

(There's no need to protest the name "bro" unless the project is marketed using misogynistic, crass, immature shticks.)

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by Deinos »

wyclif wrote: post #18
Deinos wrote: post #3

A good idea, but I see it taking some backlash for the name, which would be unfortunate because, aside from the name, it really is not perpetuating "bro"gramming, etc.

The name is ironic and whimsical. I don't see what the problem is. I'm puzzled by people (and I don't necessarily mean the parent in this specific sub-thread, but everybody who has raised concerns over the name in the thread) who seem to think that if a name has any perceived negative connotation whatsoever it should not be used. Would you make the same judgement call with regard to, say, Dogecoin?

I take the name in jest as well. Unfortunately, a lot of people are easily set off by it. Would hate to see a neat idea get flack and not be used over silly perceptions.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by scythe »

dewitt wrote: post #4

Is the "bro" intended to be ironic, or are the creators actually not aware that the term is used to represent the worst (most misogynistic, most crass, least mature, least dependable) people currently flocking to the industry? It is by its very definition exclusionary. I suppose "brogrammers" might be a target audience, but the concept of the tool itself is pretty good for just about anyone. Shame about the name.

It's a pun on "man", almost surely. It's certainly possible that someone might not have the same interpretation of "bro", which is short for "brother", as the average internet addict. There's nothing inherently bigoted about the term, and it has a long history of use divorced from any puerile or irresponsible behavior.

More importantly, it's not any sort of insult, it's a term people use when they're being friendly to each other, and even if we don't like those people there's not really any need to erect a barrier to its use. "Groovy" has been associated with the psychedelic-drug-using subculture, but we've had no trouble naming a programming language after it. This isn't like, say, "nigger", where it's virtually impossible to imagine using the word in a non-discriminatory way. We don't need to build this wall.

Of course this rant is irrelevant. I think it's silly that a term of endearment can offend people, but:

* when you're naming a software product, you don't get to choose the culture you release it into.

If saying "bro" makes some people uncomfortable, the bottom line is that it just makes a lot more sense to change it. There's virtually no cost to using a different name at this point, and there's plenty to gain by avoiding controversy.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by dictum »

cbhl wrote: post #14
dewitt wrote: post #4

Is the "bro" intended to be ironic, or are the creators actually not aware that the term is used to represent the worst (most misogynistic, most crass, least mature, least dependable) people currently flocking to the industry? It is by its very definition exclusionary. I suppose "brogrammers" might be a target audience, but the concept of the tool itself is pretty good for just about anyone. Shame about the name.

I suspect it's supposed to be a pun on "man". The only other tool in this space that comes to mind is GNU's "info"... What name would you have given the tool?

"boy" is an alternative, though I'm sure it would do very little to placate the misogyny complaints.
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