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Why Are American Colleges Obsessed With 'Leadership'?

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Re: Why Are American Colleges Obsessed With 'Leadership'?

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With Yale or Harvard it makes perfect sense to emphasis leadership. Emphasizing leadership skills for STEM students at engineering schools? That makes less sense. Emphasizing leadership skills for developers at West Coast tech companies? Now we're just getting silly... Sure leadership plays a role in what I do, but I wouldn't rate it in the top 5 important skills. As an example, to help myself get into college I was…

I feel like everyone should be a "leader", in that it's important to develop qualities that are useful in leaders. Critical thinking, decision making, etc. Even if you're not actually in charge, the related skills of leadership are useful.

Most of those things, (also "communication skills") are probably not really best described as "leadership skills". They are more "general life skills", but "leadership skills" is just the popular thing to call them I guess.

The problem is when things like college admissions start believing that these skills are best demonstrated in "leadership positions".

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I currently attend UC Berkeley and graduated from a fairly affluent top US high school a few years ago. Meaning: everyone was very concerned (I won't say obsessed) about college admissions. This focus on leadership in admissions is very well known, and manifests itself conspicuously in competitive high schools. There's a considerable amount of unspoken pressure to get "leadership" positions in school clubs, do "leade…

yeah that kid doesn't really give much of a damn whether you thought his experience was genuine:)

Re: Why Are American Colleges Obsessed With 'Leadership'?

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Well, its a social signal isn't it.

Take a job interview at an investment bank. It is incredibly important, if you want to get the job, that you simultaneously deny being primarily motivated by money, power, and status, while sending the social signal that you are in fact primarily motivated by money, power and status. If you weren't, you're probably making a mistake applying for a job at an investment bank (although I believe the joke about someone writing on their resume/cv/cover letter about their "lifelong passion for taxation/equities/super funds" did the rounds a few years ago).

So you get your extra-curriculars/interests/academic quals to do the dance about how well a rounded person you are, but simultaneously you must wear the right clothes, drop the right names, read the right things, follow the right topics, and say the right words to strongly signal that your main motivators are in fact money, power and status and that you accept that. And if, god forbid, you're ever asked the question outright, you must find a way to explicitly deny it, while sending the subtle message that is completely the opposite.

Similarly, what are colleges selling/interviewing for? Well it sure as hell isn't skills or merit, because most rich people didn't use skills or merit they got from university to get rich, and many of them could be gotten at a similar standard for a far cheaper price.

God no.

Connections. Power. Links. And the hunger for doing what is required for more of it.

And that's what "leadership" signals. That you care about it. That you want it. That you'll be surrounded by others who think and want the same.

That's what elite universities are selling.

As for the rest, well, that's probably just regular human imitation/cargo-cult mentality. It seems almost second nature for humans to mindlessly try to imitate those they find socially powerful.

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I currently attend UC Berkeley and graduated from a fairly affluent top US high school a few years ago. Meaning: everyone was very concerned (I won't say obsessed) about college admissions. This focus on leadership in admissions is very well known, and manifests itself conspicuously in competitive high schools. There's a considerable amount of unspoken pressure to get "leadership" positions in school clubs, do "leade…

I saw exactly this situation in high school. I went to a prep school, so there was definitely explicit pressure to do things that look good for college.

Two of my classmates put together the "Dollars for Darfur" program, which became a relatively big deal. They spoke in front of congress, appeared on some morning shows, etc.

Sometimes it was honestly hard to have a conversation about the program that didn't involve some cynical "and this'll look really good on their college application" type of stuff. Which is true, it's an impressive project and I'm sure it boosted their changes, but it was always sad to me that people questioned their motives. Definitely a combination of jealousy and cynicism.

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Most of that shit was designed (originally) with racist intent. I don't think modern admissions committees are racist; at this point, it's more of a "how things were always done" dynamic, and it's taken for granted that nonacademic factors should have a huge influence over college admissions. (One problem is that grade point averages aren't standardized and the SATs don't go high enough for as competitive as college…

College Board publishes test results:

http://research.collegeboard.org/content/sat-data-tables

This is the interesting one for this question:

http://media.collegeboard.com/digitalServices/pdf/research/S...

494 students scored a 2400 in 2013.

~8,300 students scored better than 2300, the tippy top of the 99th percentile.

So SAT scores might not be serving the most selective institutions, but what about the thousands and thousands of spots available at what are reasonably called good schools?

Re: Why Are American Colleges Obsessed With 'Leadership'?

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It seems like the US has a fascination with leadership. I remember when I was in college and going to meet and greets held by companies on campus all I ever heard is that they were looking for leaders. Never smart or hard working, just leaders. So it isn't just colleges it is the whole culture.

Re: Why Are American Colleges Obsessed With 'Leadership'?

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Better question: Why are Americans obsessed with 'leadership'? With leadership defined as being charismatic and influential, not necessarily wise, correct, or even logical.

I think a large part of the answer has to do with the belief that if you lead a group of people who do X, then within that group you must be the best at doing X. Which is puzzling, because everyone who has ever had a mediocre boss knows this to be false.

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> But the implicit message behind the rhetoric of leadership in the American college admissions is that intellectualism alone is not enough, even for an academic institution. Simply learning for learning's sake is not enough. Implicit? I'd say it's pretty explicit. Harvard, Yale, etc. aren't trying to be "normal" colleges, they're explicitly trying to produce the next generation of world leaders. Admissions make very…

>And rhetoric? It's reality. Our most recent 6 terms of presidents, and 9 out of 9 current Supreme Court justices, all have degrees from Harvard or Yale. So the whole leadership thing appears to be working, whether or not you think that's a good thing. I think this has quite a bit more to do with the good ol' boy network and less to do with Yale's ability to produce leaders.

> I think this has quite a bit more to do with the good ol' boy network and less to do with Yale's ability to produce leaders.

But the GOBN is part of leadership. I don't mean this sarcastically and, though I started to write that sentence with "unfortunately" I took that word out since I am not sure whether it's unfortunate or not -- even though I am not a GOB myself.

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