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PSD to HTML is not dead

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Re: PSD to HTML is not dead

#21

Look, designers can stick to making the website look amazing in photoshop, but let the engineers actually tell you what's possible or not using simple, responsive practices. Don't expect pixel perfect, do expect lean websites built to last.

It is always fun to discuss with customers that expect pixel perfect designs, to the point that they actually measure them it all browsers specified on the contract.

Thankfully, I am not the one usually sitting in those meetings.

Re: PSD to HTML is not dead

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> Adobe is trying to overcome Photoshop’s limitations for modern web design. So Adobe has realized that PSD to HTML workflow is dying and tries to develop tools for the modern web workflow to stay relevant. I don't get how this argument supports author's assessment. On the other hand external services like xhtmlized are a great way to push a website out of the door when you're an agency rooted in marketing/visual des…

The argument is that having a dedicated design stage before converting to templates/app/etc is still valid. Just because that button in the PSD is a rasterized gradient, doesn't mean the resulting page will have an image - but it does mean the developers writing the HTML CSS and JS have a solid design to work from, that the client has already approved. Do you somehow think that because the PSD to HTML process starts…

Converting PSDs to HTML/CSS has been my job for the past ten years. The "PSD that client has already approved" is part of the problem, because what's been approved is a picture of the website which may be very close to reality under some circumstances, but not necessarily what's going to be rendered on an ancient corporate workstation with IE7 which, by coincidence, is what the client uses to test the website.

Now the workflow slowly evolves and Photoshop mock-ups are still part of it, but what the client accepts is the visual style, mood, UX, content strategy etc. The design team provides style guides, graphical assets, some key components. The UX team may provide a clickable prototype or just sketches of individual pages. Front-end devs build HTML/CSS components, then individual page templates which are usually integrated with server-side logic and filled with content. Everyone can be involved at any stage so it's not a typical waterfall process, rather combining the expertise of different professionals to deliver the best product.

Re: PSD to HTML is not dead

#25

What is needed I think is some sort of visual design tool, maybe not full WYSIWYG which respects and understands template languages rather than bulldozing everything.

IMHO, frameworks such as Bootstrap would fit your definition of WYSIWYG pretty well.

Re: PSD to HTML is not dead

#26
A designer I work with hands me AI files that I'm then meant to convert to a WordPress theme. She knows near zero about coding. It's a nightmare and I'm constantly in battle of functionality and her wanting things pixel perfect. The worst is that she hands over the designs to the clients who do not understand that it will not be pixel perfect and many things will change.

Re: PSD to HTML is not dead

#27
This is a high-brow flame war. The last post bothered me, and this one bothers me all the same. Let's cut the shit for a minute and examine the lay of the land.

"PSD to HTML is dead" panders well to developers. But it doesn't make it true. Let's dig a little deeper into why a developer may want to believe that the incredible toolset contained within Photoshop is completely useless and unnecessary: The inability to use Photoshop.

No one is slicing and cropping a PSD into images anymore. If there are still some who believe that, you need to spend some time talking to designers and front-end web developers. There's really no excuse for this misinformation.

I'm not arguing for Photoshop here. I'm arguing for a design reference point – something that has been created by a (web/UI) designer, for the purposes of reference. It can be a piece of paper, Photoshop, etc. Photoshop makes it easy to manipulate a design. That's it – the central reason for using Photoshop. Moving divs around, adjusting CSS or erasing pencil off a piece of paper is never going to be as efficient as clicking on a layer and moving, resizing it, etc. That's just the reality of why Photoshop is used. This "debate" is reckless abandonment of logic, or simply passive-aggressive anti-design irreverence.

When a front-end/UI developer has a reference for their layouts, it allows them to skip over "where does this go?" and get to their actual job. Some developers are agile enough to extrapolate other form factors based on how the design is structured. Some developers need a desktop, mobile, and tablet design to reference. At the end of the day, no one is slicing images. I am just trying to understand what the actual argument is.

I can only assume that most would agree that an architectural design is essential for constructing a building. Are we really arguing that we don't need a solid foundation to start building from?

Re: PSD to HTML is not dead

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>do we really think that Adobe isn’t aware that Photoshop is becoming less suitable for modern web development process? Do we think that they will just sit there and watch their flag-ship and de-facto standard in web design become a plain photo editor?...All these actions show that Adobe is trying to overcome Photoshop’s limitations for modern web design.

If your business depends on Adobe's competence you may want to have a contingency plan.

Re: PSD to HTML is not dead

#30
post #21

Look, designers can stick to making the website look amazing in photoshop, but let the engineers actually tell you what's possible or not using simple, responsive practices. Don't expect pixel perfect, do expect lean websites built to last.

It is always fun to discuss with customers that expect pixel perfect designs, to the point that they actually measure them it all browsers specified on the contract. Thankfully, I am not the one usually sitting in those meetings.

But what pixel perfect means in fact? That it looks as it was supposed to. If I'm a designer and design something which looks perfect, do I want a coder to alter this perfect look to something ugly?

Ideally pixel perfect is replaced with "looks perfect" and designer works closely with coder to achieve perfect look on various devices and resolutions. But I don't think coder should make assumptions how the coded design can differentiate from the original design (unless they have very good aesthetics feeling).

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