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Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by erichurkman »

[deleted] wrote: post #18
canadev wrote: post #17

What is the relationship between OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD? And why would one choose one of those over Linux? Edit: Here's a link I just found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_sys... And one more: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/explaining-bsd/compa...

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FreeBSD 10, newly out, actually makes huge gains on OpenBSD's firewall, pf [1]. pf, by default, is not very thread-friendly, and uses a central mutex for packet processing. glebius has done some fantastic work that's unlikely to ever get ported back to OpenBSD's pf.

Now that FreeBSD 10 looks like it supports EC2 out of the box, I'm eager to toy with it again.

[1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-pf/2012-June/0066...

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by AlexanderDhoore »

erichurkman wrote: post #21
[deleted] wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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FreeBSD 10, newly out, actually makes huge gains on OpenBSD's firewall, pf [1]. pf, by default, is not very thread-friendly, and uses a central mutex for packet processing. glebius has done some fantastic work that's unlikely to ever get ported back to OpenBSD's pf. Now that FreeBSD 10 looks like it supports EC2 out of the box, I'm eager to toy with it again. [1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-pf/2012-Jun…

Sorry, accidentally removed my parent comment.

"As far as I see it: FreeBSD is the big one. Could replace Linux in pretty much any server situation. ZFS is amazing. OpenBSD is a bit more bare bones, but because of security might make a good router or firewall. What I've read about NetBSD is mostly research stuff. NetBSD is like a playground for OS researchers. (They have Lua in the kernel for example.)"

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by _xhok »

Have to agree about IRC. If your product is something hackers--especially "hobbyist" hackers--use, IRC is still a great way to get feedback. Back when I ran [redacted], IRC was basically the de facto way to request features and report bugs.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by mappu »

Source was slashdot: http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/0348247

A few people asking about the 'billionaire' citation, he is the man behind http://mpex.co/ , an options exchange (css, who needs it?) and he apparently has a net worth of over 700k BTC ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321265.msg3449849#ms... )

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by maaku »

canadev wrote: post #17

What is the relationship between OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD? And why would one choose one of those over Linux? Edit: Here's a link I just found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_sys... And one more: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/explaining-bsd/compa...

Three letters in their name.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by maaku »

dmix wrote: post #9
calroc wrote: post #5

Is it weird that OpenBSD struggles to keep the juice on in the post-Snowden era?

Linux and OSS is still exceptionally popular and well funded. FreeBSD might be a temporary exception. Their funding issues are certainly giving them lots of free press though.

You're missing the point. OpenBSD is the oldest, most popular distribution with a fanatical devotion to clamped down, secure-by-default software. You'd think that people would be more understanding of the need for this now.

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Post by _ak »

calroc wrote: post #5

Is it weird that OpenBSD struggles to keep the juice on in the post-Snowden era?

Well, who would really want to fund their compile farm of obscure vintage hardware if all they're really interested in is OpenSSH? Even if OpenBSD went bust, somebody would pick up OpenSSH eventually, without all the Vaxen and SGI machines and what not.

Re: Romanian saves OpenBSD?

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Post by thaumaturgy »

canadev wrote: post #17

What is the relationship between OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD? And why would one choose one of those over Linux? Edit: Here's a link I just found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_sys... And one more: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/explaining-bsd/compa...

The slightly over-simplified version goes like this:

OpenBSD is for firewalls, specialized routers, traffic management, and other internet-facing security applications.

FreeBSD is a reasonable general-purpose server BSD. It was among the first to have support for "really big" filesystems, but Linux has since caught up a bit. ZFS on FreeBSD is pretty rock-solid though.

NetBSD is intended to run on everything. Even toasters (http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php).

There's a lot of overlap, and advocates for each will probably point out other things their OSes are good at.

In general, Linux has won the race towards user-friendliness. The recent systemd thing has caused (or will cause) the BSDs to fall even farther behind, because it is fundamentally incompatible with BSD (see point 15 on http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html), and more upstream software will begin to develop dependencies on systemd.

And, in general, Linux enjoys a greater amount of developer participation, which makes it faster-moving.

But, in general, the BSDs have produced more stable operating systems ideal for set-it-and-forget-it servers.

I have to regularly work with Debian, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD systems (and irregularly work with just about everything else, even the occasional Solaris). OpenBSD and FreeBSD kick the crap out of Linux when it comes to managing network traffic. But, for my personal machine, it's gotta be Debian.

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