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Magento is dead – Merchants want a suite of marketing tools, not refactored code

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Re: Magento is dead – Merchants want a suite of marketing tools, not refactored code

#21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, seriously. The entitlement. My favorite was > automated SEO using artificial intelligence;

Most likely he meant generating page keywords/description using the product name and details. A very fancy way of putting it, but something very common sense from a business perspective.

If store A and B sell a product for the same price on all levels, I don't want a search turning up A because they did better SEO. I'd much rather they punish A for gaming the system.

We shouldn't be encouraging this shit, and we be giving the SEO 'experts'[1] the cold shoulder.

[1] About secret algorithms? Yeah, right.

Re: Magento is dead – Merchants want a suite of marketing tools, not refactored code

#22
Anyone have a cache?

EDIT: here it is. No infringement intended.

Magento has been in decline since Varien sold to eBay. Magento Community Edition is dead. Magento Go is a failure surpassed by Shopify. Magento CE releases have dried up.

So now what?

Magento 2.0 sounds promising. However, Magento 2.0 is lead by developers-only. No marketeers are involved to communicate merchant needs. I have tested Magento 2.0 dev60 and it is nothing more than a technical rewrite. Magento 2 offers the same feature set as Magento 1. You'll just need to pay a developer to migrate all your 1.x extensions to 2.x, since there is no upgrade path.

But the community cost of everyone moving to Magento 2.0 ranges in the $USD 1 billion. This is how developers keep themselves employed: by regularly clusterfucking your code. A developer focus on Magento 2.0 gives us jQuery, OWASP security policies, faster product imports, better performance and less CSS. But it does nothing to advance merchant's needs. Magento is missing a most important suite of marketing and sales automation tools.

Here is some features online merchants really dream about:

built-in A/B testing; integrated social media ROI tracking (e.g. SumAll statistics); sales automation tools: abandoned cart reports, automated follow-up emails, automated payment reminders; consumer behavior profiling to live-target marketing efforts based on behavior; customer persona segmentation such as "single men / mothers with children / affluent customers", to increase marketing effectiveness; easy-to-use multi-site and multilingual installations (Magento is cumbersome); helpdesk ticketing system, built-in live chat; built-in onestepcheckout; automated SEO using artificial intelligence; scheduled product imports to update product prices, stock, images attributes - including the ability to create new products and disable out-of-stock products; automatic product categorization based on product description content; social ecommerce ("share this product" with product landing pages for Facebook/Twitter); clever discounts such as bundled product discounts: "buy A+B together, get 5% discount on B"; built-in product XML/CSV exports for ciao, kelkoo, thefind, google and so forth; built-in newsletter or at the very least built-in Mailchimp support (with automatic setup); None of the above features are going to be implemented in Magento 2.0. What is the incentive to move to Magento 2.0? There is none. Do merchants really need the latest gimmicky "html5" technology? Mercahnts need a suite of sales and marketing tools that help drive their business.

So again, like before Magento, there is a huge market potential for ecommerce software that offers the right marketing tools. Magento is dead. But who will bridge the gap? Shopfiy? Wordpress Woocommerce? Drupal Commerce? Each of these new projects is gaining on Magento's lead. My prediction is that Magento 1.x adoption has peaked and Magento 2.x adoption will never happen. Instead, The People will switch to far more advanced alternatives. Advanced in terms of marketing that is, not jQuery.

Re: Magento is dead – Merchants want a suite of marketing tools, not refactored code

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the way the small businesses that use Magento think. They want one, all-singing all-dancing tool that does everything they could ever imagine wanting. And they never want to update it or maintain it or have to think about it.

And they also want it to adapt to the changing needs of their business and the wider marketplace. Without upgrading, modifications, downtime, adjustments to how they work, or having to pay anything extra. Did I get close? :)

Don't forget they want it to always run perfectly with no downtime on bargain-basement shared hosting. Overloaded database? Don't bother me with your technobabble mumbo-jumbo!

Re: Magento is dead – Merchants want a suite of marketing tools, not refactored code

#24

Anyone have a cache? EDIT : here it is. No infringement intended. Magento has been in decline since Varien sold to eBay. Magento Community Edition is dead. Magento Go is a failure surpassed by Shopify. Magento CE releases have dried up. So now what? Magento 2.0 sounds promising. However, Magento 2.0 is lead by developers-only. No marketeers are involved to communicate merchant needs. I have tested Magento 2.0 dev60 a…

It was probably running on Magento.

Re: Magento is dead – Merchants want a suite of marketing tools, not refactored code

#25
> A developer focus on Magento 2.0 gives us jQuery, OWASP security policies, faster product imports, better performance and less CSS. But it does nothing to advance merchant's needs.

Merchants don't need security, performance, and a more easily developable system for the developers they hire to build on?

Re: Magento is dead – Merchants want a suite of marketing tools, not refactored code

#26
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Re: Magento is dead – Merchants want a suite of marketing tools, not refactored code

#27
post #18

My main problem with Magento was it's lack of an API to integrate with 3rd-party systems. Someone implementing a competitor should start with a decent API, and build the interface on top of that. If I had time and money, I would do this myself. Also the EAV database was horrible to deal with.

Each time I had to do a Magento (CE) site I fantasized about doing a concurrent platform.

But I know better than to think one average dev like me can do that so instead I just vow to never work on a e-commerce site again.

FWIW Magento or Prestashop can really make you a very decent e-commerce site quickly and cheaply. Hard to really complain when they offer free versions.

But still, Magento can sometimes calculate VAT wrong (among other things) ! You would thought being an e-commerce platform it would at least not screw that.

Re: Magento is dead – Merchants want a suite of marketing tools, not refactored code

#28
I have been using Magento Enterprise Edition (EE) for 6months on a production sites in Europe and US, with total revenue so far exceeds a few million dollars. The reason I mention this is to give everybody a context of my comment and background. I work for a large company, so the money doesn't go to me.

To be fair, some of the features mentioned, for example abandoned cart reports, do exist in Magento EE. While some features like consumer profiling don't really belong to an eCommerce platform. Instead, those belong to CRM (consumer relationship management) tools. One of the reasons CRM is an independent system is a lot of shops have offline presence also, and lumping CRM features into eCommerce platform unnecessarily complicates things. There are extensions to sync between Magento and a few CRMs.

My wish list for Magento: built-in A/B testing, and multiple campaign management.

Re: Magento is dead – Merchants want a suite of marketing tools, not refactored code

#29
Magento has been poor software since Varien started trying to monetize. It has always been slower than necessary, a huge resource hog, and relatively complex to configure.

The real problem is that there is nothing better out there.

Magento is the Drupal of the eCommerce world - relatively prominent, but almost universally reviled by developers and not all that easy to use for users. It's the worst of many worlds.

It's too bad, really. Five years ago I was really excited for Magento, but within months I realized that it would almost universally be cheaper (from a development standpoint) to write an eCommerce project from scratch than use Magento - it takes you 95% of the way there in a lot of ways, but that last 5% is critical.

Re: Magento is dead – Merchants want a suite of marketing tools, not refactored code

#30

Anyone have a cache? EDIT : here it is. No infringement intended. Magento has been in decline since Varien sold to eBay. Magento Community Edition is dead. Magento Go is a failure surpassed by Shopify. Magento CE releases have dried up. So now what? Magento 2.0 sounds promising. However, Magento 2.0 is lead by developers-only. No marketeers are involved to communicate merchant needs. I have tested Magento 2.0 dev60 a…

It was probably running on Magento.

From the favicon on the site, looked like Drupal.
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