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How Baby Boomers screwed their kids

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Re: How Baby Boomers screwed their kids

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I tried to read this all the way to the end but I wasn't quite able to do it in a single round. There are a lot of interesting points in the article, but you'd have more chance to drown in the Sahara desert than to find a single proof of any of the aforementioned points. Best thing you get is a combination of weasel words and anecdotal evidence. Let's see a few of these brilliant examples: > it’s easy to see how the…

The article was excerpted from "Reprinted from “Leaders Eat Last: Why Some Teams Pull Together and Others Don’t”"

And your comment pretty much illustrates why I have pretty much stopped reading and buying books (such as this which I did in the past)

You get (even when supported) a generally lopsided view based on what the owner thinks that is cherry picked to match with their point of view or what they are trying to prove.

(By the way as far as "Why the sudden and huge spike in a frontal lobe dysfunction over the course of a decade?" Well, that would be pharmaceutical marketing for sure! (My cherry picked boogey man to explain.)

Re: How Baby Boomers screwed their kids

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It's no surprise that Baby Boomers are a disaster in every way possible; after all, they were the spoiled children of the victors in a devastating war.

However, look to their parents and you may have some sympathy for the boomers. The Boomers were born in the 1940s to people born in the 1910-1920s period when social mores evaporated, the "Jazz Age" took over, and people basically became vainglorious self-important drama queens.

"I believe that on the first night I went to Gatsby’s house I was one of the few guests who had actually been invited. People were not invited — they went there. They got into automobiles which bore them out to Long Island, and somehow they ended up at Gatsby’s door. Once there they were introduced by somebody who knew Gatsby, and after that they conducted themselves according to the rules of behavior associated with amusement parks. Sometimes they came and went without having met Gatsby at all, came for the party with a simplicity of heart that was its own ticket of admission."

That's a fairly brutal and accurate condemnation of that generation and its social mores. It's worth noting that many of them, especially the East Coast elites, went on to become Communists.

Re: How Baby Boomers screwed their kids

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I tried to read this all the way to the end but I wasn't quite able to do it in a single round. There are a lot of interesting points in the article, but you'd have more chance to drown in the Sahara desert than to find a single proof of any of the aforementioned points. Best thing you get is a combination of weasel words and anecdotal evidence. Let's see a few of these brilliant examples: > it’s easy to see how the…

> Perhaps Simon Sinek is right, but after reading the article, you are no closer to understanding why he thinks he's right than you were before. What do you know, the top comment is a pseudo-intellectual tear down of an article, asking for evidence and proof, admitting that the original article wasn't even read to completion, but offering plenty of criticism. > Perhaps Simon Sinek is right, but after reading the arti…

I mean you really can't get any worse than using something like this to support your point:

"A New Jersey-based accountant told me that he sees a clear difference between his older clients and his younger ones. “My older clients want to work within the confines of the tax code to do what is fair,” he explained. “They are willing to simply pay the tax they owe"

In court that is "hearsay" evidence. It's not even coming from someone who is an accountant who is writing the book but someone just talking to the accountant. For all we know the accountant said that at a party after having 3 drinks. Separately, from my experience with people of the older generation I have definitely not found that to be the case. Not to mention that even that would vary by ethnic group, geography and I'm sure many other factors.

Re: How Baby Boomers screwed their kids

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post #7

I tried to read this all the way to the end but I wasn't quite able to do it in a single round. There are a lot of interesting points in the article, but you'd have more chance to drown in the Sahara desert than to find a single proof of any of the aforementioned points. Best thing you get is a combination of weasel words and anecdotal evidence. Let's see a few of these brilliant examples: > it’s easy to see how the…

The article was excerpted from "Reprinted from “Leaders Eat Last: Why Some Teams Pull Together and Others Don’t”" And your comment pretty much illustrates why I have pretty much stopped reading and buying books (such as this which I did in the past) You get (even when supported) a generally lopsided view based on what the owner thinks that is cherry picked to match with their point of view or what they are trying to…

You mean non-fiction, or all books?

Re: How Baby Boomers screwed their kids

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If I ever read another long, rambling screed about the failings of millennials, it will be too soon.

Whether or not millennials are failures, I have no idea. I will say, however, that we sure seem to care about what preceding generations think of us a whole lot more than preceding generations did.

I think that is because we have the ability to talk about it on a much larger scale than that of previous generations. The real test will be what the next generation thinks about itself when they become our age.

Re: How Baby Boomers screwed their kids

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The Baby Boom was a birth cohort that spanned a lot of years, characterized only by high birth rates. (The Baby Boom is the only time in United States history when the long-term trend of ever higher ages of first marriage and ever lower rates of fertility was reversed.) A lot of thoughtful analysts distinguish the earlier part of the Baby Boom (parents who were part of the "Greatest Generation," which participated as…

It's not just the parents, but the "boomers," as well. Some analysts see two groups in the "Baby Boom": 1946-1955 and 1956-1964. I don't know where the break should be, but one of my sisters was born in 1963 and has never struck me as a "Baby Boomer." She doesn't remember very much of the 1960s, the draft, Vietnam, etc. An article in USA Today, a few years back, on these "Shadow Boomers" mentioned a woman born in 1964 and both her parents were born in 1946 -- all three are Baby Boomers.

Re: How Baby Boomers screwed their kids

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> An impatience driven by two things: First is a gross misunderstanding that things like success, money or happiness come instantly. This doesn't jive with my experience. College grads these days very often start their careers working for free in unpaid internships. If that doesn't demonstrate delayed gratification or an understanding that success doesn't come instantly, I don't know what would.

Younger people should learn this long, long before they graduate college. By then they're already functioning adults.

Re: How Baby Boomers screwed their kids

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article was excerpted from "Reprinted from “Leaders Eat Last: Why Some Teams Pull Together and Others Don’t”" And your comment pretty much illustrates why I have pretty much stopped reading and buying books (such as this which I did in the past) You get (even when supported) a generally lopsided view based on what the owner thinks that is cherry picked to match with their point of view or what they are trying to…

You mean non-fiction, or all books?

Well I meant non-fiction but I don't really read fiction.

Re: How Baby Boomers screwed their kids

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Born in 1981, I would be classified as a Gen Y person. Some sentences that caught my eye:

> Many employers complain of the demands their entry-level employees often make.

I asked my previous employer that I didn't approve of having a senior employer shout "Ah, fuck off" at me several times a day, or being called "thick", or having to put up with threatening behaviour. That was considered a hefty demand.

> We would prefer that that air traffic controller check his e-mail or send his text messages during his breaks. I think we would all feel much better if access to the Internet and a personal cell phone were completely forbidden (which they are).

I usually don't have enough money to debit my cell phone (The other day I had my first go on a Samsung Galaxy). I rarely have access to these distractions because I lack the capital.

> Generation Y thinks that, because they have grown up with all these technologies, they are better at multitasking. I would venture to argue they are not better at multitasking. What they are better at is being distracted.

I didn't grow up in constant contact with these technologies. I've grown up being expected by Gen Xers and other Gen Yers to be able to multitask and be a tech whizz with said technologies. I would agree that I am better at being distracted than Gen Xers - having to endure abuse and threats is very distracting, as is being expected to know everything about how a computer works.

> They seem flummoxed when told that things take time. They are happy to give lots of short bursts of energy and effort to things, but commitment and grit come harder.

I started practising programming in my spare time about eighteen months ago, and I'm still practising. I'll probably get proficient at it when I'm say, 36. I'm never told by my peers or Gen Xers that it will take time. I'm often told "you're wasting your time" or "stick to what you are capable of" (then I get turned down for minimum wage jobs). I was wondering how flummoxed a person from any generation would be if you told them that even dead simple programs often require at least 100 lines of code. One of the main reasons that I am able to do this is due to a small band Gen Xers (and some Gen Yers) who had the determination and patience to write free software, so many cheers for them.

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