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Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor

#21
Looking at all the hate toward sing-up overlays one can wonder why websites still do this. The answer is simple, an unfortunately very sad.

Users value content. That's what they visit the webpage for. However, businesses like this (i.e. the ones inventing ideas like sign-up overlays) do not care about the content. They might say they do, but that is a lie. Website content is only a means to an end - extracting money from users. It's a bait for the fish.

This fundamental mismatch of values is - I think - the main reason why people still can't get why websites implement annoying sign-up pop-ups and stuff. Such companies don't really want to provide value to their users, they only pretend they want, to the extent that maximizes profit.

I'm fine with people earning money and charging for their work. But I believe that this relationship should be up-front. Running heavy maths to figure out the optimal amount of pretending-we-care to maximize profits is not only annoying, but dishonest.

I wish there was a way to reward businesses that actually focus on benefit to their customers, while punishing the ones who only pretend. Right now the only thing I can do, whenever I see annoying sign-up box or other signs of someone doing "clever things" to extract money from me, is to say "fuck you, I'm not coming back".

As for the usability part, [0] summed it up perfectly:

"(...) you have no fucking idea what a website is. All you have ever seen are shitty skeuomorphic bastardizations of what should be text communicating a fucking message."

[0] - http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/

Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor

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post #13

Anecdotal data of course but If I'm still reading and something pops up over the content I either switch to iReader view (If it's good content) or close the tab faster than I can read the first sentence. If I've not even had the chance to read anything when it pops up chances are anything on your domain is never being clicked again. If I came in via Google I click the little "Block " link on the way back for good mea…

It's all fair though, because most content online has as much attention put into writing it as you are willing to put into accessing it. Your attitude is no different from an online "writer's": if it doesn't fall into their lap ready to be reposted with 1 single click, fuck it. Seriously, I cannot fathom what content online is worth reading, but for which the 5 seconds you are cost to click an x is not worth investin…

> Seriously, I cannot fathom what content online is worth reading, but for which the 5 seconds you save by clicking an x is not worth investing.

It's not about content, it's about the company actively showing that they don't really care about providing any value, but only about monetizing you.

Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor

#23

Looking at all the hate toward sing-up overlays one can wonder why websites still do this. The answer is simple, an unfortunately very sad. Users value content. That's what they visit the webpage for. However, businesses like this (i.e. the ones inventing ideas like sign-up overlays) do not care about the content. They might say they do, but that is a lie. Website content is only a means to an end - extracting money…

They obviously want signups at all costs, but I can't see where they monetize these signups that makes it worth degrading the user experience. Signup numbers for VC investment, then eventual advertising?

Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor

#24

If you show me an overlay like that, I hate you.

The post is all about how to reduce that same feeling. Convert hate to love, if possible. ;)

The post is basically a slap in the face for the users. It's a detailed analysis about how to extract maximum monetization value out of a cheap and annoying trick. Working hard to optimize the effectiveness of this "method" shows a staggering amount of disrespect to their userbase.

Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor

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post #23

Looking at all the hate toward sing-up overlays one can wonder why websites still do this. The answer is simple, an unfortunately very sad. Users value content. That's what they visit the webpage for. However, businesses like this (i.e. the ones inventing ideas like sign-up overlays) do not care about the content. They might say they do, but that is a lie. Website content is only a means to an end - extracting money…

They obviously want signups at all costs, but I can't see where they monetize these signups that makes it worth degrading the user experience. Signup numbers for VC investment, then eventual advertising?

Probably. New users is a primary "growth" metric, and as we all know, startups have to grow fast to get VCs to invest.

Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor

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post #19

Too bad all the fancy math can't account for people who don't share or upvote the content because their reading was rudely interrupted.

They don't care. They are optimizing for maximum signups, presumably because signups = growth = VC money.

Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor

#27
post #19

Too bad all the fancy math can't account for people who don't share or upvote the content because their reading was rudely interrupted.

They don't care. They are optimizing for maximum signups, presumably because signups = growth = VC money.

Yes, but conversion rate is only a part of that. If nobody shares your article, it doesn't matter how good your conversion rate is. Optimizing conversion rates while ignoring the viral coefficient is like the drunk looking for his keys under the streetlight because that's where the light is best.

Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all fair though, because most content online has as much attention put into writing it as you are willing to put into accessing it. Your attitude is no different from an online "writer's": if it doesn't fall into their lap ready to be reposted with 1 single click, fuck it. Seriously, I cannot fathom what content online is worth reading, but for which the 5 seconds you are cost to click an x is not worth investin…

> Seriously, I cannot fathom what content online is worth reading, but for which the 5 seconds you save by clicking an x is not worth investing. It's not about content, it's about the company actively showing that they don't really care about providing any value, but only about monetizing you.

This. I wrote this piece [1] on Medium, previously submitted here [2] about this exact issue. I also made Tab Closed; Didn't Read [3].

[1] https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/a30bbe8b54a5

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6819358

[3] http://tabcloseddidntread.com

Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seriously, I cannot fathom what content online is worth reading, but for which the 5 seconds you save by clicking an x is not worth investing. It's not about content, it's about the company actively showing that they don't really care about providing any value, but only about monetizing you.

This. I wrote this piece [1] on Medium, previously submitted here [2] about this exact issue. I also made Tab Closed; Didn't Read [3]. [1] https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/a30bbe8b54a5 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6819358 [3] http://tabcloseddidntread.com

Thanks for the links. Bookmarked TC;DR immediately.

Re: When to propose a relationship to your Anonymous Visitor

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't care. They are optimizing for maximum signups, presumably because signups = growth = VC money.

Yes, but conversion rate is only a part of that. If nobody shares your article, it doesn't matter how good your conversion rate is. Optimizing conversion rates while ignoring the viral coefficient is like the drunk looking for his keys under the streetlight because that's where the light is best.

Well, I guess the "viral coefficient" is something inherently unpredictable, so it's probably hard to include it in calculations.
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