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Re: Networking is Overrated

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Networking is for people who don't know what they are doing and who don't have better ideas regarding what to do with their time and energy. So if you go to a networking event, understand that you are automatically putting yourself into this class of person. If you are someone who provides a lot of value, other people will go out of their way to meet you, and then you don't have to go to networking events. So the fac…

I can't believe this is the top comment on this story.

You have got to be kidding me.

Networking events are invaluable, especially to new graduates. It's important to know how to interact face to face with other human beings. It's important to show you can have a real human conversation with someone, understand body language, understand emotions and social cues.

I realize these skills aren't highly valued on HN for some, but if you really want to be successful they absolutely are.

Also - Elon Musk and Steve Jobs networked their asses off. Homebrew computer club. Speaking engagements. Hustling investors. That's all networking.

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Networking is for people who don't know what they are doing and who don't have better ideas regarding what to do with their time and energy. So if you go to a networking event, understand that you are automatically putting yourself into this class of person. If you are someone who provides a lot of value, other people will go out of their way to meet you, and then you don't have to go to networking events. So the fac…

You have very obviously never been to an actual networking event.

Re: Networking is Overrated

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Author went to Princeton.[1] Another Princeton grad "found him" through the alumni directory. Sounds like networking to me. Then, in the fall of 2006, a guy named Austin Merritt looked me up in the Princeton University alumni directory. He was about two years out of school and had just moved to Big Sky to ski, enjoy the outdoors and hopefully find a job in the construction industry. Apparently, we were two of only th…

Yeah, I think it's a variation on "sour grapes," in that networking in Montana isn't likely productive compared to higher density areas.

It's hard to measure the results of networking. My first awesome gig here in Colorado came as a result of networking with no clear goal: Made a friend in the local scene, and ran into him as we were leaving a conference, where he introduced me to someone else. Ended up with a nice high paying gig from that, as well as a great item on my resume.

At this point I've done enough networking that the jobs are finding me. But people only know that I create value because I've talked with them and told them. Doesn't mean the networking was useless since I don't do it as much any more.

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I love reading articles like this because it reinforces what I've believed all this time. At first I thought, maybe I'm just not a social creature and that is why I can't find value in networking. True as it maybe that I dislike socializing in general, I found that I was simply "networking" because this is what "you are supposed to do" or "everyone does it so it must be right".

Especially in startup culture, people even without ever having started one or work in the industry seems to know EXACTLY what to do. You network, you build contacts. I don't argue that it's useless but at launching and being very early on in the product cycle, even if I had contacts, I'd have no use for it as it's too generic.

The spending 50% of time describing your specific problem and walking away with answers that you already know....it's not that people that you network with are stupid, it's that you are faced with very specific problems early in the game that you must solve yourself.

Of course when you grow a business, you are faced with questions that they teach you in business school, but more than often, I find the time you spent going to networking events, you could've spent just brainstorming and cranking it out yourself.

Re: Networking is Overrated

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Another headline to grab attention but not really provide all that much information. "So while conventional wisdom says to network aggressively, I don’t necessarily agree." That is not the point of networking. When you network in college its to get a job in your field. Not any job, not to make friends, but to make inroads.

If the author had networked with people closer to his business market, he could have potentially got advice that worked instead of spending time speaking to people far removed from his day to day work.

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Networking is for people who don't know what they are doing and who don't have better ideas regarding what to do with their time and energy. So if you go to a networking event, understand that you are automatically putting yourself into this class of person. If you are someone who provides a lot of value, other people will go out of their way to meet you, and then you don't have to go to networking events. So the fac…

Do you think Steve Jobs went to a lot of networking events? He met his wife while mingling with the audience after he gave a talk at Stanford. Does that count as networking? There's also "networking with other current losers who are early in their career and may end up being great later." Sometimes it works. Sometimes you end up trying to get away from boring people for 45 minutes before running back to the train.

>He met his wife while mingling with the audience after he gave a talk at Stanford. Does that count as networking?

Now, I know where to look for my future wife. Aspiring billionairesses on YC, you had me with your 'Hello, My name is ____' sticker.

Re: Networking is Overrated

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Networking is for people who don't know what they are doing and who don't have better ideas regarding what to do with their time and energy. So if you go to a networking event, understand that you are automatically putting yourself into this class of person. If you are someone who provides a lot of value, other people will go out of their way to meet you, and then you don't have to go to networking events. So the fac…

"Networking is for people who don't know what they are doing and who don't have better ideas regarding what to do with their time and energy. " Wait, what ? No. That's not what networking is for. You don't network only because you have nothing better to do and you are at the bottom of the food chain but because networking helps you create influence in a world where ultimately, everything comes down to human beings. D…

I feel like a reasonably successful person at this point, and I don't do "networking". I am not uncommon in this regard; most of the most successful people people in my industry do not do "networking". That's why I posted my original comment; I feel it is a reality, among at least a very strong subculture of talented people, that is underrepresented in rhetoric.

Addressing some of the other replies: I have done certainly a lot of speaking engagements, and yes, these have been very helpful for becoming more known and whatever, but I never do them for that reason; I always do a speech because I have something specific that I really want to say. Any publicity is a by-product (and sometimes publicity is highly aggravating and undesired). I certainly don't try to meet people via speaking events, parties, dinners, whatever. Sometimes I do end up meeting people, but not that often really, and again, it is a by-product.

In my experience, successful people almost always go to a party just to go to a party and relax or see what's up. They aren't going to a party for ulterior motives like maybe meeting someone who they might be able to get something out of and blah blah blah. Actually, successful people often just don't go to parties because they have other things to do and parties where you don't have a strong peer group are not going to be very interesting.

If you have a specific business objective, you are not going to solve that by randomly going to an event and having random conversations. You are going to solve it by calling someone on the phone or emailing them. If you don't have a specific business objective, you probably won't find much traction with whatever you are doing unless you get a specific business objective.

Re: Networking is Overrated

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Networking is for people who don't know what they are doing and who don't have better ideas regarding what to do with their time and energy. So if you go to a networking event, understand that you are automatically putting yourself into this class of person. If you are someone who provides a lot of value, other people will go out of their way to meet you, and then you don't have to go to networking events. So the fac…

"Networking is for people who don't know what they are doing and who don't have better ideas regarding what to do with their time and energy. " Wait, what ? No. That's not what networking is for. You don't network only because you have nothing better to do and you are at the bottom of the food chain but because networking helps you create influence in a world where ultimately, everything comes down to human beings. D…

So when I was in college I was pretty shy, but I heard that networking was essential for career success, and so I was kinda terrified about what my future held.

It's 8 years later, I'm in my early 30s, and I feel like my network is doing pretty well. At least, some of my direct friends - people I would invite to crash on my couch when they're visiting town, or go out for dinner with weekly - are tech leads of major consumer products with millions of users, or entrepreneurs with a successful exit, or heads of university research departments, or responsible for managing tens of millions in investment portfolios. And my 2nd degree connections include early Google employees, venture capitalists, heads of government agencies, etc. This is all without doing all that much in the way of deliberate networking. I just get involved with things that I'm passionate about and seek out other people who are passionate about it - or, more commonly, get sought out by other people who are passionate about it.

It's a little paradoxical that almost all of my big career successes came from my network, but almost none of my network consists of people that I specifically "networked" with.

I think what a lot of people miss about general social interaction is that people like to hang out with other folks like themselves. If you specifically believe that networking is the key to success, you will attract other people that believe networking is the key to success, and you will end up with a network full of...well, networkers. Which can be great in fields like enterprise sales or politics where success is pretty much based on knowing lots of people who know lots of other people. But if you want to network with people who are passionate about changing the world for the better, your best bet is to be passionate about changing the world yourself, make your actions congruent with that, and you'll find that you will find and attract other such people.

Re: Networking is Overrated

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Networking is for people who don't know what they are doing and who don't have better ideas regarding what to do with their time and energy. So if you go to a networking event, understand that you are automatically putting yourself into this class of person. If you are someone who provides a lot of value, other people will go out of their way to meet you, and then you don't have to go to networking events. So the fac…

I can't believe this is the top comment on this story. You have got to be kidding me. Networking events are invaluable, especially to new graduates. It's important to know how to interact face to face with other human beings. It's important to show you can have a real human conversation with someone, understand body language, understand emotions and social cues. I realize these skills aren't highly valued on HN for s…

JBlow must be a real genious and really good at what he does. I mean that serious now and not being some smart ace. Some people use that to their strategy, to their focus or game plan. I see myself in this way most of the times, in some events where I really don´t feel like talking about my business or wanting to hear yours. I just want to be there for the booz and a good time and get the hell out..and that´s it, if they want an email or contact do so, no problem but I don´t care to talk business at that time, I do it when I am focused!
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