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You Asked When To Buy Bitcoin...Well Now's Your Chance

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Re: You Asked When To Buy Bitcoin...Well Now's Your Chance

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The only problem here is that part of the run up was based on the sense that China was allowing Bitcoin to flourish. That's pretty powerful in the world's second largest economy with a suspect currency of it's own (highly manipulated for political purposes) If that market opportunity is now closing then that makes Bitcoin much less valuable (at least over the short term) Less demand = smaller price.

You make a good point. If China shuts off entirely then the potential size of Bitcoin's network could decrease significantly. That's not to say however that Bitcoin doesn't still have a significant and increasing network of users. There have been significant gains outside of China as well recently. A large contributor to the high was resultant from the US Senate Hearings which seemed to somewhat validate Bitcoin's legality in the U.S., the world's largest economy.

Re: You Asked When To Buy Bitcoin...Well Now's Your Chance

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I have a question that may sound stupid to Bitcoin aficionados, and yet is the first question that comes to my mind whenever I read something like this, and I'm asking it in all seriousness: why would I want to buy Bitcoin (given that I don't wish to profit from Bitcoin speculation)? I get that there is some novelty to using an online crypto-currency. But other than the possible fun factor (which I don't expect to ex…

>> Personally, I believe currencies are better when they're regulated by governments.

Stop believing that. The exact opposite is true. If we could all use a currency that no one could manipulate at the press of a button somewhere behind the scenes, we would. But as long as governments control money, we're shit out of luck there - they're printing and borrowing money as they please, debasing their currencies and causing all kinds of grief to the little folks, ie. us.

You're right to be skeptical about Bitcoin though. It's basically a "speculative investment vehicle", as someone mentioned. Until that changes, you should be cautious about buying them. The gold rush is probably over.

( Or not. But no one knows. )

Re: You Asked When To Buy Bitcoin...Well Now's Your Chance

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I have a question that may sound stupid to Bitcoin aficionados, and yet is the first question that comes to my mind whenever I read something like this, and I'm asking it in all seriousness: why would I want to buy Bitcoin (given that I don't wish to profit from Bitcoin speculation)? I get that there is some novelty to using an online crypto-currency. But other than the possible fun factor (which I don't expect to ex…

I can think of a few reasons... A new approach some merchants have taken is to accept only Bitcoin and thus eliminate payment processing fees. This leads to prices lower than their competitors can reach (stores such as Bitcoinstore.com and Bitcoinin.com). While the 2-3% may not matter much on small purchases, larger orders certainly will. Another aspect is the peer to peer nature of Bitcoin. With Bitcoin you have the…

>A new approach some merchants have taken is to accept only Bitcoin and thus eliminate payment processing fees.

Don't count on it. Processing services will rise up to automate various aspects of bitcoin transactions, and you'll still pay those fees.

Re: You Asked When To Buy Bitcoin...Well Now's Your Chance

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I'm not convinced. Like gold, Bitcoin isn't an investment. Warren Buffet will tell you that investing is putting your money into something which creates real value, like a business. He would also tell you that you should stick to what you know, otherwise its just gambling. For me, that's investing my time and money into building my own income streams. I don't really care that I could possibly get a return of 10x or m…

Strictly speaking, you would only lose 1x your money on Bitcoin ;) Otherwise, I agree with what you said.

I would prefer to invest in something where their assets will be used to make the world a better place. Not only do I (hopefully) gain long-term value, but also moral satisfaction. If you happen to believe that there will be human value in Bitcoin-as-a-currency, consider investing in the infrastructure rather than the coins.

Re: You Asked When To Buy Bitcoin...Well Now's Your Chance

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You can't have 20-40% weekly swings in an asset and still expect to use it as currency. Neither merchants, nor consumer can trust it, and speculators just sit on it and distort the entire market. I hate that Bitcoin as a currency is almost worthless.

Give it some time. A child crawls before it starts walking.

Re: You Asked When To Buy Bitcoin...Well Now's Your Chance

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I can think of a few reasons... A new approach some merchants have taken is to accept only Bitcoin and thus eliminate payment processing fees. This leads to prices lower than their competitors can reach (stores such as Bitcoinstore.com and Bitcoinin.com). While the 2-3% may not matter much on small purchases, larger orders certainly will. Another aspect is the peer to peer nature of Bitcoin. With Bitcoin you have the…

>A new approach some merchants have taken is to accept only Bitcoin and thus eliminate payment processing fees. Don't count on it. Processing services will rise up to automate various aspects of bitcoin transactions, and you'll still pay those fees.

There are already several such services, the most major being Bitpay. However, with their software as a service model they don't charge a percentage of every transaction, but rather a small recurring fee for using the service. Thus as transaction volume increases costs per transaction decrease.

The major cost for current payment processors (i.e. mastercard, paypal, etc) is that they end up third party mediators in disputes regarding chargebacks. The Bitcoin protocol, which inherently disallows chargebacks, eliminates much of that need, thus the fees decrease. What you're paying for with Bitpay or Coinbase is a piece of software that interacts with the Bitcoin protocol for you, not a traditional payment processor that ends up mediating disputes.

Re: You Asked When To Buy Bitcoin...Well Now's Your Chance

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I have a question that may sound stupid to Bitcoin aficionados, and yet is the first question that comes to my mind whenever I read something like this, and I'm asking it in all seriousness: why would I want to buy Bitcoin (given that I don't wish to profit from Bitcoin speculation)? I get that there is some novelty to using an online crypto-currency. But other than the possible fun factor (which I don't expect to ex…

It's easier to transfer online than dollars. You can send your bitcoins directly to another person for free or close to free. IF the use becomes widespread, I think the utility of this is obvious... it replaces Dwolla entirely and most of the function of online payment systems.

The problem is the volatility. I'm not sure how that could be fixed.

Re: You Asked When To Buy Bitcoin...Well Now's Your Chance

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I have a question that may sound stupid to Bitcoin aficionados, and yet is the first question that comes to my mind whenever I read something like this, and I'm asking it in all seriousness: why would I want to buy Bitcoin (given that I don't wish to profit from Bitcoin speculation)? I get that there is some novelty to using an online crypto-currency. But other than the possible fun factor (which I don't expect to ex…

The biggest I can think of is having the ability to give anonymous support.

Maybe one day you want to send support a movement for government transparency, but do not want to take the risk of being labeled as a terrorist?

Maybe one day you want to send support to a friend in need without having it on the permanent record?

Maybe you want to donate money to a security tool like tor, but do not want to risk being put on a no-fly lists.

Basically, if the thought "how might this look" ever pops up when doing an transaction, anonymous currency is useful. Its also the only option we got until all the spying all the time ends.

Re: You Asked When To Buy Bitcoin...Well Now's Your Chance

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I have a question that may sound stupid to Bitcoin aficionados, and yet is the first question that comes to my mind whenever I read something like this, and I'm asking it in all seriousness: why would I want to buy Bitcoin (given that I don't wish to profit from Bitcoin speculation)? I get that there is some novelty to using an online crypto-currency. But other than the possible fun factor (which I don't expect to ex…

1. A hidden asset that can't be taxed, a digital swiss bank account

2. Total control of movement with no fees, instant free wire transfers.

3. Purchasing of goods anonymously

4. Secure from external sources - avoiding bank of cyprus events

In my opinion its all about its widespread acceptance. It's like a telephone the more people who use bitcoin the more value there is.

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