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Re: Fedora 20 released

#21
post #7

With Gnome 3.10. Nice. Even nicer with the Phosphene theme: http://hdni.github.io/rice/assets/phosphene_preview.png - https://github.com/hdni/Phosphene

Looks really nice! How jarring are non flat designed windows such as chrome/evolution etc? Do they look a bit "too" ill fitting?

Re: Fedora 20 released

#22
post #15

While on the topic, does any one have a good strategy for building the gstreamer-bad/ugly plugins on Fedora? I don't like the rpmfusion repository as it always seems to mess up the system sooner or later.

I always have rpmfusion (http://rpmfusion.org/) enabled, and I've never seen it mess up anything.

Re: Fedora 20 released

#23
post #5

"Syslog removed from default installation" and "Users accustomed to checking /var/log/messages for system logs should instead use journalctl." I'm sure I'm going to forget about that... I can't wait for the first WTF :)

It's quite an audacious release note. As if millions of users are suddenly going to forget about cat, head, tail, more, less, grep, awk, sed, fmt, etc. etc. that are only still useful if you learn how to journalctl and convert those binary logs back into plain text. I'd like to install Fedora 20 and use it as my main desktop, but both systemd and journald will somehow have to be avoided and worked around because I do…

You can do "yum install rsyslog". However I agree that it shouldn't have been removed.

Re: Fedora 20 released

#24
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's quite an audacious release note. As if millions of users are suddenly going to forget about cat, head, tail, more, less, grep, awk, sed, fmt, etc. etc. that are only still useful if you learn how to journalctl and convert those binary logs back into plain text. I'd like to install Fedora 20 and use it as my main desktop, but both systemd and journald will somehow have to be avoided and worked around because I do…

You can do "yum install rsyslog". However I agree that it shouldn't have been removed.

That's nice, but can you "yum install upstart"?

Re: Fedora 20 released

#25
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's quite an audacious release note. As if millions of users are suddenly going to forget about cat, head, tail, more, less, grep, awk, sed, fmt, etc. etc. that are only still useful if you learn how to journalctl and convert those binary logs back into plain text. I'd like to install Fedora 20 and use it as my main desktop, but both systemd and journald will somehow have to be avoided and worked around because I do…

I don't usually have the need to check syslog in my desktop, unless I'm doing development, and in that case I will install syslog-ng (and systemctl enable syslog-ng). Not a big deal. As for servers, I wouldn't use Fedora. Each release is supported for only 13 months and upgrades are not as seamless as in Debian. So for me Fedora is a very decent desktop if you want the new shinies with ease of use. Most of the time w…

> As for servers, I wouldn't use Fedora.

That's what RedHat (or CentOS) is for...

Re: Fedora 20 released

#26
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't usually have the need to check syslog in my desktop, unless I'm doing development, and in that case I will install syslog-ng (and systemctl enable syslog-ng). Not a big deal. As for servers, I wouldn't use Fedora. Each release is supported for only 13 months and upgrades are not as seamless as in Debian. So for me Fedora is a very decent desktop if you want the new shinies with ease of use. Most of the time w…

> As for servers, I wouldn't use Fedora. That's what RedHat (or CentOS) is for...

Or Scientific Linux.

Re: Fedora 20 released

#27
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do "yum install rsyslog". However I agree that it shouldn't have been removed.

That's nice, but can you "yum install upstart"?

No. Why would you want to? Upstart is inferior to systemd in every way and if Fedora supported both then it would have to test every package that contained a daemon twice.

Re: Fedora 20 released

#28
post #14

Also note, this is the first Distro (that I know of) that is resolution-independent out of the box -- thanks to Gnome 3.10. Retina and retina-like users rejoice!

OpenSUSE 13.1 released with GNOME 3.10 already :P

Re: Fedora 20 released

#29
post #5

"Syslog removed from default installation" and "Users accustomed to checking /var/log/messages for system logs should instead use journalctl." I'm sure I'm going to forget about that... I can't wait for the first WTF :)

It's quite an audacious release note. As if millions of users are suddenly going to forget about cat, head, tail, more, less, grep, awk, sed, fmt, etc. etc. that are only still useful if you learn how to journalctl and convert those binary logs back into plain text. I'd like to install Fedora 20 and use it as my main desktop, but both systemd and journald will somehow have to be avoided and worked around because I do…

> * Ubuntu: decent base system, lousy desktop

You mean the unity stuff? I installed the KDE Desktop package and it's great and works great =)

Re: Fedora 20 released

#30
post #5

"Syslog removed from default installation" and "Users accustomed to checking /var/log/messages for system logs should instead use journalctl." I'm sure I'm going to forget about that... I can't wait for the first WTF :)

It's quite an audacious release note. As if millions of users are suddenly going to forget about cat, head, tail, more, less, grep, awk, sed, fmt, etc. etc. that are only still useful if you learn how to journalctl and convert those binary logs back into plain text. I'd like to install Fedora 20 and use it as my main desktop, but both systemd and journald will somehow have to be avoided and worked around because I do…

> As if millions of users are suddenly going to forget about cat, head, tail, more, less, grep...

    $ grep shiz /var/log/messages
    grep: /var/log/messages: No such file or directory
WTF?

    $ ls /var/log
    README    dnf.log wtmp Xorg.log.0    ...
    $ head /var/log/README
    You are looking for the traditional text log files in /var/log, and
    they are gone?
    
    Here's an explanation on what's going on:
Crisis averted!
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