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Edward Snowden leaks: NSA 'debates' amnesty

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Re: Edward Snowden leaks: NSA 'debates' amnesty

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

wil421 wrote: post #12

This is so stupid. Snowden hasnt leaked documents since he initially gave it to the first few reporters. Those reporters have stated from the beginning it was in their hands now to determine what is reported to the public. > This is analogous to a hostage taker taking 50 people hostage, shooting 10, and then say, 'if you give me full amnesty, I'll let the other 40 go'. What do you do? That is absolutely absurd. No li…

What exactly determine's the press's release schedule? Ratings? Milking? Ad conversation stats?

No idea why everything hasn't been released yet. It also isn't bulk data like the wikileaks fiasco. Looks like NSA program specs. Redaction can't be taking this long.

Funny how Snowden is now caught between a dictator in Russia and the Western for-profit press. Probably not a good place to be. I imagine he's smart enough to have an "insurance" file which means we'll never see the real dirt on the NSA.

Re: Edward Snowden leaks: NSA 'debates' amnesty

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Post by dobbsbob »

kevando wrote: post #17
dobbsbob wrote: post #14

Snowden has 'insurance' that will leak if they kill him and they probably figured out what it was and would like it back. Most likely plans to the NSA death star

Where have you heard this?

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE9AO0Y120131125?irpc...

Also just because the NSA gives snowden amnesty doesn't mean UK won't extradite him for espionage. I'm sure they will play that game to jail him some how for life

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Post by mathattack »

spodek wrote: post #18

> The US National Security Agency is considering offering an amnesty to fugitive intelligence contractor Edward Snowden if he agrees to stop leaking secret documents, an NSA official says. That means as bad for the NSA as giving amnesty would be, they consider remaining documents worse . That means however bad you've found the revelations so far, expect worse to come. As for Snowden, I presume he's smart enough to re…

I was thinking the same thing. He has to really have something awful on them - something so bad that they'd eat a ton of crow over it, and possibly lose their jobs over it. But it's still worth keeping under wraps.

The conspiracy theorist in me wishes that the X-files would do a movie on it, as we'd solve JFK and the aliens all in one wrap.

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Post by dopamean »

spodek wrote: post #18

> The US National Security Agency is considering offering an amnesty to fugitive intelligence contractor Edward Snowden if he agrees to stop leaking secret documents, an NSA official says. That means as bad for the NSA as giving amnesty would be, they consider remaining documents worse . That means however bad you've found the revelations so far, expect worse to come. As for Snowden, I presume he's smart enough to re…

How does the NSA offer amnesty anyway? Is it not the Justice Department that would bring charges in this situation? It's like the family of a murder victim offering amnesty to the murderer... it's not really up to them.

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Post by sneak »

Tosh108 wrote: post #23

I'm not an expert on US law. But why does the NSA have the authority to grand amnesty?

The same way they have the authority to tap everyone's phones: they are one and the same with the unchecked military power of the United States with carte blanche to di whatever they want from spy on ex-lovers, to imprison people in solitary for years before trial, to lie openly to congress without repercussions.

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Post by sneak »

dopamean wrote: post #25
spodek wrote: post #18

> The US National Security Agency is considering offering an amnesty to fugitive intelligence contractor Edward Snowden if he agrees to stop leaking secret documents, an NSA official says. That means as bad for the NSA as giving amnesty would be, they consider remaining documents worse . That means however bad you've found the revelations so far, expect worse to come. As for Snowden, I presume he's smart enough to re…

How does the NSA offer amnesty anyway? Is it not the Justice Department that would bring charges in this situation? It's like the family of a murder victim offering amnesty to the murderer... it's not really up to them.

By that logic, James Clapper would be charged for lying to congress by now.

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

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Post by mattgibson »

That's a pretty extreme step.

Given that there have been stories saying that the NSA have not been able to work out exactly what he took from them, this implies that they are afraid of what he has yet to reveal.

We know that he deliberately didn't release material that was specifically going to endanger individuals or operations and that newspapers have been even more careful to only reveal generalities. This suggests that there is no need for the NSA to worry about stuff that is not suitable for publication. Which implies that there are other stories which are a really big deal, which both he and newspapers would be happy to publish, but which they have not published yet.

But what? I can't imagine what else they could've been up to on top of what we've learnt. Maybe I just have incredulity burnout.

Re: Edward Snowden leaks: NSA 'debates' amnesty

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Post by kordless »

> "This is analogous to a hostage taker taking 50 people hostage, shooting 10, and then say, 'if you give me full amnesty, I'll let the other 40 go'."

No. This is analogous to YOU taking 50 people hostage, shooting 10 of them, and then someone coming to you and telling you to stop shooting people or they are going to tell on you if you don't release the rest of the hostages.

> What do you do?

You let your hostages go.

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