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Re: An Open Letter To Customers

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Post by qwerta » Mon, Dec 02, 2013, 5:28 PM UTC

gaius wrote: post #10

qwerta wrote: post #6

I always wished BlackBerry would adopt Android operating system. It desperately needs some enterprise hardened secure version with good VPN. Also I really miss decent Android phone with Qwerty keyboard.

You can run Android apps on BB10. But there would be no point in running Android, it would be a big step backwards security wise. Not to mention that Google don't do Android out of the goodness of their hearts. They want to make phone handsets commoditized with all the cool stuff in the software and in their "cloud". That's not a market you want to be in as a manufacturer - just ask IBM who were driven out of PCs, a…

I read that Android support in BB10 is not so great.

Most of Android components are open sourced. There are versions of Android which strips out Google stuff. For example Facebook released their phone which runs on Android. There is even alternative OS (sailfish) with similar architecture, which runs Android apps just fine.

The problem is that BlackBerry tries to be manufacturer. They do everything by themselves. Instead they should focus on services and existing standards.

Re: An Open Letter To Customers

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Post by BackerHopez » Mon, Dec 02, 2013, 5:29 PM UTC

psobot wrote: post #7

Two sentences in, there are three cryptic acronyms - MDM, BES and BYOD. Apparently the "customers" that the letter was written for are not Blackberry's end users.

I can hear your crying from here

Re: An Open Letter To Customers

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Post by rubinelli » Mon, Dec 02, 2013, 5:30 PM UTC

psobot wrote: post #7

Two sentences in, there are three cryptic acronyms - MDM, BES and BYOD. Apparently the "customers" that the letter was written for are not Blackberry's end users.

MDM - Mobile Device Management

BYOD - Bring Your Own Device

BES - BlackBerry Enterprise... Something?

Re: An Open Letter To Customers

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Post by gaius » Mon, Dec 02, 2013, 5:30 PM UTC

qwerta wrote: post #21

gaius wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can run Android apps on BB10. But there would be no point in running Android, it would be a big step backwards security wise. Not to mention that Google don't do Android out of the goodness of their hearts. They want to make phone handsets commoditized with all the cool stuff in the software and in their "cloud". That's not a market you want to be in as a manufacturer - just ask IBM who were driven out of PCs, a…

I read that Android support in BB10 is not so great. Most of Android components are open sourced. There are versions of Android which strips out Google stuff. For example Facebook released their phone which runs on Android. There is even alternative OS (sailfish) with similar architecture, which runs Android apps just fine. The problem is that BlackBerry tries to be manufacturer. They do everything by themselves. Ins…

But so do Apple and they are wildly successful. BlackBerry's security model relies on integration of the OS with the hardware in such a way that they'd need to rewrite the Android kernel anyway to keep the same benefits.

Re: An Open Letter To Customers

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Post by jwr » Mon, Dec 02, 2013, 5:31 PM UTC

droob wrote: post #11

"MDM vendors are undoubtedly inviting you to webinars and enticing you to switch off your BES." They're trying to tell me an actual human typed that sentence?

I think this is a way to reach their target audience and I think it just might make sense. Think of it as them going to their roots. You are not their target audience.

Re: An Open Letter To Customers

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Post by zalew » Mon, Dec 02, 2013, 5:32 PM UTC

rubinelli wrote: post #23

psobot wrote: post #7

Two sentences in, there are three cryptic acronyms - MDM, BES and BYOD. Apparently the "customers" that the letter was written for are not Blackberry's end users.

MDM - Mobile Device Management BYOD - Bring Your Own Device BES - BlackBerry Enterprise... Something?

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Re: An Open Letter To Customers

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Post by rayiner » Mon, Dec 02, 2013, 5:33 PM UTC

qwerta wrote: post #6

I always wished BlackBerry would adopt Android operating system. It desperately needs some enterprise hardened secure version with good VPN. Also I really miss decent Android phone with Qwerty keyboard.

Android is a race to the bottom for everyone who isn't Google (controls the software side) or Samsung (fabs the key silicon).

Re: An Open Letter To Customers

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Post by seanc » Mon, Dec 02, 2013, 5:34 PM UTC

psobot wrote: post #7

Two sentences in, there are three cryptic acronyms - MDM, BES and BYOD. Apparently the "customers" that the letter was written for are not Blackberry's end users.

They most certainly were not! They were written for CIO's and the like.

For the record:

MDM - Mobile Device Management - a thing to integrate management of a companies cell phones

BES - BlackBerry Enterprise Server - the MDM made by BlackBerry

BYOD - Bring Your Own Device - The practice of employees using personal cell phones for company business. The company deploys some set of apps and services onto the device which allows them some measure of control over it, and the employee gets to use a mobile device that they are comfortable with.

Re: An Open Letter To Customers

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Post by asmithmd1 » Mon, Dec 02, 2013, 5:37 PM UTC

droob wrote: post #11

"MDM vendors are undoubtedly inviting you to webinars and enticing you to switch off your BES." They're trying to tell me an actual human typed that sentence?

They are done. They STILL have no clue they aren't the center of the universe. Who knows (or cares) what this sentence means:

"We’re serious about multi-platform MDM and even more serious about multi-platform EMM"

Re: An Open Letter To Customers

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Post by asmithmd1 » Mon, Dec 02, 2013, 5:38 PM UTC

seanc wrote: post #28

psobot wrote: post #7

Two sentences in, there are three cryptic acronyms - MDM, BES and BYOD. Apparently the "customers" that the letter was written for are not Blackberry's end users.

They most certainly were not! They were written for CIO's and the like. For the record: MDM - Mobile Device Management - a thing to integrate management of a companies cell phones BES - BlackBerry Enterprise Server - the MDM made by BlackBerry BYOD - Bring Your Own Device - The practice of employees using personal cell phones for company business. The company deploys some set of apps and services onto the device whic…

I knew those but EMM tripped me up - any idea?