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Crime Lab Scandal Leaves Massachusetts Legal System In Turmoil

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What's the justification for that? What qualifies you to pass such a sentence, and what makes the sentence the justice system settled on inappropriate?

The extreme magnitude of the impact of her crime. Injuring 34,000 victims. "Breaking" the justice system. Abuse of the extraordinary power society placed in her.

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What's the justification for that? What qualifies you to pass such a sentence, and what makes the sentence the justice system settled on inappropriate?

How about serving the sentences she was responsible for? Even if she served 1 day for every sentence that was a result of her intentional tampering of the evidence, she would be serving life.

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The OP is a bit outdated...Dookhan has since been sentenced to 3 to 5 years in prison: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/11/22/annie-dookhan-fo... The system is indeed in turmoil as it has to continue to review a massive number of cases. One of the worser case scenarios has since happened: a man who was freed because of possibly tainted evidence went on to allegedly murder someone http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro…

I'd say that imprisoning innocent people was already the worst case scenario.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the justification for that? What qualifies you to pass such a sentence, and what makes the sentence the justice system settled on inappropriate?

How about serving the sentences she was responsible for? Even if she served 1 day for every sentence that was a result of her intentional tampering of the evidence, she would be serving life.

Justice is about more than retribution.

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what is her motive?

I can only speculate about her motives. But the system that is set in such a way that prisons can be privately owned and prisoners exploited for personal gain is a recipe for disaster. Stakeholders making profit from prisoners have a strong incentive to somehow ensure that as many people as possible get sent to prison for as long as possible no matter whether they are guilty or not. Some might decide to achieve this by bribing someone in the chain of obtaining/evaluating evidence. In a penal system like this it's just a matter of time before something like this happens.

BTW, it might also be a nice way to explain why punishments tend to be so much harsher than for example in Europe - in the US can being 'tough on crime' be profitable.

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34000 tainted cases is not "messed up big time". It's deliberate and malicious. And she gets 3-5 years? Bullshit.

34000 over nearly a decade career. It's 9.3 cases per day for 10 years, without weekends, vacations or holidays. And 45 minutes of work per case. Provided she had 7hr working day and a lunch break. And she occasionally testified in courts. How is that even possible?

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34000 tainted cases is not "messed up big time". It's deliberate and malicious. And she gets 3-5 years? Bullshit.

>told police that she messed up big time.

She came forward. She came to police and honestly tried to fix it and guess what she got for that - a royally fucked life. I betcha there will not be any more volunteers like that.

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Minnesota Public Radio reported often about systemic problems in the St. Paul, Minnesota crime lab over the last few years.

http://blogs.mprnews.org/cities/2013/08/st-paul-police-crime...

It seems those problems are now mostly cleaned up, and there is no particular implication here that a similar problem exists in the state crime lab, but it is a very good idea for citizens to press law enforcement administrators to make sure that crime lab procedures are validated and standardized and checked and rechecked.

When I started reading the skeptical literature a decade or so ago, I was astonished to discover that even fingerprint identification is not a well standardized or well validated procedure. And I used to believe that defense attorneys (I am a lawyer by training, although I don't practice law) were mostly willfully ignorant of science when they cast doubt on DNA evidence. But now I heartily approve the side-effect of our adversary system of justice, which when it works best should have the "other side" questioning every form of evidence and putting it to the test of rigorous validation. I think too often people trying to solve the problem of crime through the criminal justice system look for quick answers rather than exact answers.

AFTER EDIT: This background article link

http://badchemistry.wbur.org/2013/05/19/annie-dookhan-and-th...

from the NPR affiliate in Boston updates the story and is more current than the NPR link kindly submitted here (which is from March 2013 rather than May 2013).

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