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Things San Franciscans Should Be Thankful For

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Re: Things San Franciscans Should Be Thankful For

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I wonder what all the non-tech job holders think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification We should all know how good we have it. I know I'm making more money than I ever considered possible writing code and I know I love my job. What I want to read about is what happened to everyone who was in SF before this tech thing started and what's happening to all the people who are not part of the tech-wave & startup-par…

They probably live in East Bay and have an awful commute every day.

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I wonder what all the non-tech job holders think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification We should all know how good we have it. I know I'm making more money than I ever considered possible writing code and I know I love my job. What I want to read about is what happened to everyone who was in SF before this tech thing started and what's happening to all the people who are not part of the tech-wave & startup-par…

Even Bay Area tech workers don't have it that well, except for those useless parachute executives/PMs brought in by VC king-makers. First, there's the cost of living that precludes savings even on a salary that would be enviable in most of the country. Second, that creepy culture of age discrimination (which has no place in tech) thanks to VC chickenhawks means people have about 20 years to make money.

Re: Things San Franciscans Should Be Thankful For

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There are four demonic elephants (named Housing Prices, Cultural Erosion, Age Discrimination, and Limousine NIMBY Leftism) the size of tanks in the room. They're all shitting highly radioactive nuclear diarrhea by the truckload per minute and you can actually taste the alpha particles. But this article came along to say, "look, 10 cute kittens!" In fact, the kittens are all dead of asphyxiation from the vapors coming off the putrefied elephant feces, and covered in liquid shit, which makes them a lot less cute.

This article ignores the demonic elephant-monsters and tries to bring attention to the kittens. Poor kitties.

Re: Things San Franciscans Should Be Thankful For

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I want to see the list things San Franciscans should NOT be thankful for. Let me think of some things: 1) crazy high rents 2) lots of homeless people 3) urine smell every where 4) horrible parking and traffic 5) foggy cold summers -- maybe a plus in your book

> 2) lots of homeless people > 3) urine smell every where

As a recent visitor to your city, the large number of people sleeping rough was a shock. I am from a small social-liberal democracy though, so we typically have less homelessness in general, but yeah, it was confronting.

Down by the ferry terminal (on the Embarcadero I think?) there was two homeless people sleeping under a tarpaulin at the base of a flagpole proudly bearing the American flag. The juxtaposition was so ironic that I wonder if they were part-time performance artists when they weren't sleeping outdoors.

How do Americans reconcile the homeless to their place as the wealthiest nation?

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There are four demonic elephants (named Housing Prices, Cultural Erosion, Age Discrimination, and Limousine NIMBY Leftism) the size of tanks in the room. They're all shitting highly radioactive nuclear diarrhea by the truckload per minute and you can actually taste the alpha particles. But this article came along to say, "look, 10 cute kittens!" In fact, the kittens are all dead of asphyxiation from the vapors coming…

> Limousine NIMBY Leftism

Are you able to elaborate on this one?

Re: Things San Franciscans Should Be Thankful For

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There are four demonic elephants (named Housing Prices, Cultural Erosion, Age Discrimination, and Limousine NIMBY Leftism) the size of tanks in the room. They're all shitting highly radioactive nuclear diarrhea by the truckload per minute and you can actually taste the alpha particles. But this article came along to say, "look, 10 cute kittens!" In fact, the kittens are all dead of asphyxiation from the vapors coming…

> Limousine NIMBY Leftism Are you able to elaborate on this one?

Sure. New York and San Francisco have a lot of people that are total assholes to everyone (especially their subordinates and colleagues at work) but consider it OK because, after all, they're Democrats. They're not "those people" who overtly espouse economic inequality; they're couth enough to covertly support it. They also tend to be the people who (a) keep housing prices high in places like San Francisco and New York by pushing NIMBY regulations that block housing deveopment, and (b) choose not to vaccinate their kids on pseudoscientific grounds and are singularly responsible for the resurgence of third-world childhood diseases in places like the Bay Area. It's all OK, though, if you're working on a "world changing product" and promise God to "help Africa" (price discriminate with said product) once you've made it to the top.

You know how potheads lose motivation because when you're high, even goofy stuff feels like real accomplishment, and some eventually lose that need to experience substantial achievement? That's why limousine liberals are poisonous. They and their acolytes and their inefficient nonprofits (often with top executives making $350k on a 10-to-3 workday) give a bunch of people the satisfaction that comes from helping people-- the feeling of having done something-- without actually helping people much.

We need real liberalism and real environmental protection and a real social safety net, not fuckheads using phony environmental arguments to push NIMBY policies that keep their houses overvalued.

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post #18

I want to see the list things San Franciscans should NOT be thankful for. Let me think of some things: 1) crazy high rents 2) lots of homeless people 3) urine smell every where 4) horrible parking and traffic 5) foggy cold summers -- maybe a plus in your book

6) poop in addition to urine 7) public transportation that goes on strike several times a year 8) 2) except with untreated mental issues due to lack of UHC and others

9) Clouds of second-hand drug smoke. And I don't mean cigarettes.

Re: Things San Franciscans Should Be Thankful For

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If TFA is meant to say San Franciscans should be grateful for the gentrification of the city, then it's pretty insulting, and frankly, emblematic of the entitlement and lack of awareness in the tech community. If anything, TFA proves that life is getting better for a small segment of the population of San Francisco. 1. Chart does not discuss why unemployment is down. Is it down because there's a ton of tech workers m…

Is there any statistic showing "people are doing well" that you wouldn't dismiss as a sign of "gentrification"?

Re: Things San Franciscans Should Be Thankful For

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post #9

I wonder what all the non-tech job holders think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification We should all know how good we have it. I know I'm making more money than I ever considered possible writing code and I know I love my job. What I want to read about is what happened to everyone who was in SF before this tech thing started and what's happening to all the people who are not part of the tech-wave & startup-par…

One day I was waiting to meet somebody and I ended up loitering by that GameStop for a good chunk of time on a weekend afternoon, as such I watched a lot of people window shopping or making occasional purchases.

First thing that surprised me: they seemed to sell more used iOS devices than anything else.

I don't know if it's always like this, but most people I observed in there did not look all that well-to-do. They seemed like mostly local kids (not kids of yuppies) who just hopped off muni and aspired to save up for months to buy a refurbished 3-generations-ago iPod touch. I saw a few kids of that description make purchases. Nobody all that ostentatious, or anything like all the "playground for the rich" stuff that people in SF rail against. It was actually refreshing to see kids excited about what most HNers would consider "unusable" tech.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Limousine NIMBY Leftism Are you able to elaborate on this one?

Sure. New York and San Francisco have a lot of people that are total assholes to everyone (especially their subordinates and colleagues at work) but consider it OK because, after all, they're Democrats. They're not "those people" who overtly espouse economic inequality; they're couth enough to covertly support it. They also tend to be the people who (a) keep housing prices high in places like San Francisco and New Yo…

Cheers mate, that explains it. I was struggling to reconcile the Bay Area's famed leftie tendencies with the realities of inequality on the ground.
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