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One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by techsupporter »

ars wrote: post #17
scotty79 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perv: "I've seen you naked." Response in sane culture: "Nobody cares. Grow up and find something useful to be excited about."

Presumably both of you will now go ahead and post naked pictures of yourself since you don't care if anyone sees them? Perhaps follow up with bank and medical records? Or do you feel that privacy only applies to things other than nudity? Oh and I'm sure you wouldn't mind hundreds of people contacting you and your employer and calling you all sorts of names.

No. Though I obviously can't speak for either of the folks above, I read their reactions as them not caring whether other people saw nude pictures of them. Instead, they care about other folks' reactions to those pictures and that is what the above replies want to guard against. If the latter (the reaction by others) wasn't negative, the former (the posting of nude photos) wouldn't have a stigma that the jerks in the linked article could exploit.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by Nursie »

At some point can't she say "so there's a picture of my left tit on the net, and?"

Also I don't understand why people like Moore haven't been sued into the ground for profiting from copyright violation.

(edit: I mean other than the whole upfront cost aspect, but given how frickin' insane copyright penalties are, you would think some or other lawyer would take it on a no-win no-fee basis.)

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by krenoten »

gngeal wrote: post #16

"My computer had been bombarded with viruses, and a technician had advised me to buy all new equipment because the malware was tough to remove." I assume the technician was coincidentally also a salesman. ;-) "Tough to remove"? What a load of crap.

Rootkits exist that survive OS reinstalls. I don't know how prevalent they are, but if you expect a target to try to reinstall their operating system to attempt to purge an infection it is possible to counter this.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by gw »

marvin wrote: post #10

A somewhat related note is that America's culture of sex-negativity, shame and general hysteria around nudity is a required prerequisite for this type of bullying and abuse. Look at the following paragraph: > Jill became hysterical, repeating, "Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. No." This is, obviously, the reaction of someone who fears repercussions from others. And this is for completely harmless acts (taking nude photos)…

Absolutely spot on. I have no sympathy for the villain, but this story sums up modern America:

1. A prudish culture in which women are fired for the slightest revealing photo.

2. A litigious culture in which courts and police are heavily relied on to solve disputes.

3. An infantilized youth remaining under the wings of their parents long after reaching adulthood.

4. A burgeoning labyrinth of overly-specific laws being added to regularly in response to each perceived "crisis".

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by Aloha »

marvin wrote: post #10

A somewhat related note is that America's culture of sex-negativity, shame and general hysteria around nudity is a required prerequisite for this type of bullying and abuse. Look at the following paragraph: > Jill became hysterical, repeating, "Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. No." This is, obviously, the reaction of someone who fears repercussions from others. And this is for completely harmless acts (taking nude photos)…

In reality you're right. Seeing someone naked shouldn't be the end of the world - no one should be fired for nudes appearing online somewhere. No ones life should end. That said, this guy in a total sleeze, and knew that (a) he had no rights to do so (b) its morally wrong (c) it had a good chance of ruining peoples lives.

While we need to fix the first problem I think (cultural taboo about nudity) what sleezebag did is still wrong, and not fixing the first problem.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by boomlinde »

nsxwolf wrote: post #19
marvin wrote: post #10

A somewhat related note is that America's culture of sex-negativity, shame and general hysteria around nudity is a required prerequisite for this type of bullying and abuse. Look at the following paragraph: > Jill became hysterical, repeating, "Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. No." This is, obviously, the reaction of someone who fears repercussions from others. And this is for completely harmless acts (taking nude photos)…

So would you say that Hunter Moore is really a hero? Helping us all get over our hang ups wether we like it or not?

I don't think you read the entire parent post.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by aaron695 »

ars wrote: post #17
scotty79 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perv: "I've seen you naked." Response in sane culture: "Nobody cares. Grow up and find something useful to be excited about."

Presumably both of you will now go ahead and post naked pictures of yourself since you don't care if anyone sees them? Perhaps follow up with bank and medical records? Or do you feel that privacy only applies to things other than nudity? Oh and I'm sure you wouldn't mind hundreds of people contacting you and your employer and calling you all sorts of names.

I think the fact, as per the article, a victim teaching at a school was treated like the perpetrator is partially what they are referring to.

Just like the good old days where the rape victims were the ones at fault.

Society has a lot to blame for here as well.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by simonsarris »

nsxwolf wrote: post #19
marvin wrote: post #10

A somewhat related note is that America's culture of sex-negativity, shame and general hysteria around nudity is a required prerequisite for this type of bullying and abuse. Look at the following paragraph: > Jill became hysterical, repeating, "Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. No." This is, obviously, the reaction of someone who fears repercussions from others. And this is for completely harmless acts (taking nude photos)…

So would you say that Hunter Moore is really a hero? Helping us all get over our hang ups wether we like it or not?

I think that's a stretch - it would be like saying war is really a good thing because of the (possibly good) ending side effects.

If I may recall the relevant operetta on HN:

CANDIDE:

Objection! What about war?

PANGLOSS:

War!

Though war may seem a bloody curse

It is a blessing in reverse

When canon roar -- Both rich and poor

By danger are united!

(Till every wrong is righted!)

Philosophers make evident

The point that I have cited

'Tis war makes equal -- as it were --

The noble and the commoner

Thus war improves relations!

(Pangloss tries to justify the apparent imperfections of the world by claiming that it is optimal among all possible worlds. It must be the best possible world, because it was created by an all powerful/knowing God, who would not choose to create an imperfect world if a better world could be known to him.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candide

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by jrockway »

The story kind of jumps around and I read it in parts, but I'm confused about the outcome. He basically went into hiding and suffered no consequences?

What worries me more deeply is how society provides people like Moore with the ammunition they need to terrorize women. One victim complained that she would lose her children over the nude pictures. Even if they were actually of her, why does someone have to fear the government taking away their kids simply because they chose to appear naked in front of a camera? That doesn't make someone a bad parent. It doesn't really make them anything.

Why do we make people fear the govenrment AND their exes AND crazy people on the Internet? As society, we're doing a piss-poor job providing protection to people that need it.

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