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My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Post by vetler »

legulere wrote: post #12
ryanjshaw wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I have to work 80+ hours a week to have the absolute financial freedom to live the rest of my estimated 40-50 years on this planet in any way I chose, nevermind ensuring similar benefits accrue to my family, then I think that's a pretty good deal. I still have down time and plenty of fond memories -- you just have to plan how you spend that time a bit better. I live in a part of the world where a lack of financial…

There's a nice parable about working hard to have free time later: http://www.protolink.com/MexicanFisherman.html

Very nice parable, I love it.

It seems to easy to get stuck in between the two, though - working hard, but not hard enough to retire early, but still not having time to enjoy life as the Mexican fisherman.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Post by ars »

khuey wrote: post #18
evincarofautumn wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re not alone. I’m only awake for 80 hours during the week. Devoting half of that to a job is insane enough, thanks.

You sleep an average of 12.5 hours per day?

He's probably not including weekends.

But weekends are the way that people do 80 hour weeks.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Post by Andrenid »

khuey wrote: post #18
evincarofautumn wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re not alone. I’m only awake for 80 hours during the week. Devoting half of that to a job is insane enough, thanks.

You sleep an average of 12.5 hours per day?

I'd assume he means work week. 8 hours sleep per week night.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Post by z92 »

ryanjshaw wrote: post #20
legulere wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a nice parable about working hard to have free time later: http://www.protolink.com/MexicanFisherman.html

The problem with this parable is that it equates two different scenarios. A fisherman without extensive financial resources is not the same as a person with extensive financial resources choosing to fish. Here's some alternative endings, in a country without social and medical support in place, for you to consider: 1. The fisherman develops a serious illness and finds he can no longer support his family. His wife, wh…

On the other hand you can get bankrupt due to:

1. Share market crash. 2. Change in government regulations. 3. Getting sued. 4. Or simply bad luck. 90% of all business fail anyway.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Post by ars »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #13

> Two weeks before the class was over, the head of the deployment team asked, “Steve, are you single?” Yes. “Do you like to travel?” Sure. “Why don’t you come to Korea with us when we ship the system overseas.” The first of those questions was completely unnecessary, and invited a potential employment discrimination lawsuit; it fairly directly implies they might not have made the offer if he wasn't. It would have suf…

There is no federal law about Marital status discrimination, only state law, and not all states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_discrimination_law_...

Note that California does prohibit it, but it seems to be a recent law.

This http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/column-one/01-08-07-californ... implies it was around 2007/2008.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Post by chaz »

mattip wrote: post #2

Can anyone summarize? I do not read linkedin articles.

I don't understand the elitism that happens around here about where content is located. It's fine to say that you don't use regularly Quora, LinkedIn, Facebook etc because the signal/noise ratio is bad or it's not something you want to sign up for. But to refuse to click a public link to even see what it is?

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Post by patio11 »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #13

> Two weeks before the class was over, the head of the deployment team asked, “Steve, are you single?” Yes. “Do you like to travel?” Sure. “Why don’t you come to Korea with us when we ship the system overseas.” The first of those questions was completely unnecessary, and invited a potential employment discrimination lawsuit; it fairly directly implies they might not have made the offer if he wasn't. It would have suf…

Josh is currently downvoted, but is absolutely correct on US employment law. People wanting to run companies take note.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Post by ryanjshaw »

z92 wrote: post #24
ryanjshaw wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with this parable is that it equates two different scenarios. A fisherman without extensive financial resources is not the same as a person with extensive financial resources choosing to fish. Here's some alternative endings, in a country without social and medical support in place, for you to consider: 1. The fisherman develops a serious illness and finds he can no longer support his family. His wife, wh…

On the other hand you can get bankrupt due to: 1. Share market crash. 2. Change in government regulations. 3. Getting sued. 4. Or simply bad luck. 90% of all business fail anyway.

Absolutely a valid, if tangential, point - businesses are not without risks. But if you want the reward, you have to take the risk - and I want the reward. Aside from that, you get to look back over your life and, whatever your mistakes, say "at least I tried". Better than "damn I was lazy, you kids better support me."

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

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Post by jasonkester »

ryanjshaw wrote: post #10
ignostic wrote: post #6

I feel like I'm a different species when I hear someone excited about working 80+ hours a week. Having so little free time and so little time to spend with friends and family seems like a sad life regardless of the paycheck. I agree with this: "Have a passion for Doing something rather than Being a title on a business card." I also agree that "Showing up a lot increases your odds" (in this case meaning working a lot…

If I have to work 80+ hours a week to have the absolute financial freedom to live the rest of my estimated 40-50 years on this planet in any way I chose, nevermind ensuring similar benefits accrue to my family, then I think that's a pretty good deal. I still have down time and plenty of fond memories -- you just have to plan how you spend that time a bit better. I live in a part of the world where a lack of financial…

Remember, there are two variables in the equation: (hours worked) * (hourly rate). Try to avoid the temptation to max out the left side of that equation early in your career, since you have a lot more control over the right side than you think you do.

Look at what you're making now (assuming early career from the tone of your post). Now know with near certainty that you'll be making double that five years from now. Maybe 4x or even 8x by the time you hit 40. Does it really make sense in that context to toss out your entire 20s grinding on that entry level salary? Even though you'll be able to make up the entire difference with a single year of 40 hour weeks fifteen years from now?

Work on your value. Never just trade time for money.

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