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Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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Post by nknighthb »

jbellis wrote: post #7
programminggeek wrote: post #3

This is a smart move. Some people might call it a pivot, but I think it's really doubling down on what people really want. dotCloud is not going to change the world (or make a truckload of money) by being Heroku's also-ran. Instead, they are taking something they built that is really interesting to a lot of people and building a business around it. As someone who is quite interested in docker, I'm glad that they are…

I was with you until the last sentence. Why would it be irresponsible to kill the Heroku also-ran to push faster on what people really want?

PR. Witness how everybody goes apeshit whenever Google closes a niche service.

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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Post by programminggeek »

jbellis wrote: post #7
programminggeek wrote: post #3

This is a smart move. Some people might call it a pivot, but I think it's really doubling down on what people really want. dotCloud is not going to change the world (or make a truckload of money) by being Heroku's also-ran. Instead, they are taking something they built that is really interesting to a lot of people and building a business around it. As someone who is quite interested in docker, I'm glad that they are…

I was with you until the last sentence. Why would it be irresponsible to kill the Heroku also-ran to push faster on what people really want?

It would be irresponsible to their paying customers to just kill dotCloud. I have no idea how much money they are making from it, but whether they have 100, or 10,000 customers, they owe it to them to provide them the best experience possible whether they are ending dotCloud or keeping it as a going concern.

Frankly, docker could be (and probably is) a great marketing tool for them to basically say, "Docker is great, and if you are looking for a cloud hosting, check out dotCloud." Even if docker related services don't make a lot of money right away, dotCloud is something that is making them money today.

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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Post by shykes »

jxf wrote: post #19
ARothfusz wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no need to make a hasty decision -- we haven't changed the platform in any way or lowered our support efforts. If you've found that you can count on the dotCloud PaaS for your business (and thank you for that!), then nothing changed today. We're still here for you. If you feel like you want to get ready for running on another platform, or using Docker as it matures, then I'd suggest the first step would be to…

Thanks for the reassurance, Andy. We've chatted a couple of times in IRC and you've always been awesome in my complicated support requests. Still, my concern isn't about the quality of the dotCloud PaaS going down -- it's pretty high already, and I don't have any plans to move immediately. Instead, I'm more concerned about the shift in general. You know as well as anyone that software that doesn't get love and care e…

Hey John, thanks for the kind words! I just wanted to add one datapoint to back Andy's response: the resource allocation to dotCloud has been the same for the last 6 months, and there is no change planned to that allocation as of today. In other words, if you were satisfied with our service over the last few weeks, you are likely to continue to be satisfied for months to come.

I would worry about an exit strategy too if I were in your shoes - but just know that your trust and success as a customer matters more to us than any bajillion of dollars we would stand to make if we betrayed it.

In fact I'm pretty sure we can "make a bajillion dollars" and continue to earn your trust :)

Thanks for doing business with us John! Docker is in part thanks to you.

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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Post by shykes »

Hey everyone, dotCloud/Docker founder here. I just wanted to thank the HN community for your support. Your feedback - both positive and negative - has shaped Docker more than you know.

I also want to confirm that, yes, the trust and satisfaction of our customers matters more to us than any amount of money. You can always make more money later, but once trust is gone, it's gone. So expect us to work ourselves to exhaustion to continue to earn the trust of our paas customers, no matter how crazy things get with Docker (and I can tell you it's only going to get crazier!)

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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Post by flipchart »

jxf wrote: post #9

As a user of Docker, I'm excited. But as someone who uses the dotCloud PaaS right now to run a company, I'm a little annoyed, mostly at myself for not seeing this coming. Clearly there's a diversion of resources away from the dotCloud PaaS to Docker, and that's going to have a toll somewhere. Despite the company's reassurances that everything is business as usual, I know that Docker [the project] is just too much of…

Not sure how much it meets your needs (I know it does on 1 and 5, but probably not on 2) but have you considered Windows Azure? They have managed Linux instances with git deployment and a great web interface.

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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Post by shrikrishna »

I have been using Docker for a couple of days now, and am really in love with it! Congratulations on the new direction and wish you all the luck in the world!

I'd like to ask one question though - It seems that it's possible to limit the amount of cpu and memory of each container, but not so with the filesystem. I know this is some issue related to AUFS being used internally. But I would really like to know whether there is _any_ hack that allows us to limit the size of the filesystem, or whether it's in the pipeline?

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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Post by ARothfusz »

pron wrote: post #25

Can someone please explain what is Docker exactly? I've read this page, http://www.docker.com/about_docker/docker/ , and didn't understand. What exactly does it encapsulate? What does the application see when it queries its environment?

This link does a more in-depth explanation: http://www.docker.io/the_whole_story/#Background

In general, Docker encapsulates and runs your processes and file systems in an exactly repeatable way, and in a format that you can replicate across a wide variety of machines.

Re: Dotcloud becoming Docker

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Post by perlgeek »

jbellis wrote: post #7
programminggeek wrote: post #3

This is a smart move. Some people might call it a pivot, but I think it's really doubling down on what people really want. dotCloud is not going to change the world (or make a truckload of money) by being Heroku's also-ran. Instead, they are taking something they built that is really interesting to a lot of people and building a business around it. As someone who is quite interested in docker, I'm glad that they are…

I was with you until the last sentence. Why would it be irresponsible to kill the Heroku also-ran to push faster on what people really want?

Dog-Fooding. As long as you have an in-house product that uses the infrastructure you build, you'll immediately notice when things go wrong.
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