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High-Tech Window Cling is Like a Volume Knob for Real Life

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Re: High-Tech Window Cling is Like a Volume Knob for Real Life

#21
I think more likely this was made by some film students for a school project or something then by physicists with a working prototype.

I always thought the only way of doing this would be to have detached microphones positioned between the speaker and the target noise so the system has enough time to compute the inverse of the incoming waves and send them out with enough space to cancel in the correct phase.

Re: High-Tech Window Cling is Like a Volume Knob for Real Life

#22

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Yes, and there's whether it actually works IRL. I think it's feasible to have something like the concept, but there are quite a few hiccups along the way -- I'm no audio expert, but I suspect that a single microphone/speaker location may be unable to cancel satisfactorily the incoming sound field through the window. Also, Loud noises creep in through various places, so if your window is quite good already you many no…

I've done quite a bit of signal processing in my day. Audio, image/computer vision, radio comms, etc. This product strikes me as not terribly honest for a few reasons: Geometry The mic/speaker assembly are in the middle of the window but the window has substantial size relative to the dimensions of the room and the distance the listener is from the device. What this means is that you have a multipath problem; the ori…

    The mic/speaker assembly are in the middle of the window
    but the window has substantial size relative to the
    dimensions of the room and the distance the listener is
    from the device.
For what it's worth, the pictures in the article show a series of rings around the device that significantly increase its surface area, a component that is not present on the device in the video.

Re: High-Tech Window Cling is Like a Volume Knob for Real Life

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Selective noise cancellation could be possible using a Fourier transform. Zero out the coefficients that you still want to hear and then perform an inverse transform, then a time-domain inversion, and finally apply the appropriate amount of delay to the signal.

You might know this, but I want to state it at least for the benefit of people reading this without much signal processing experience. Just zeroing like that really isn't the best idea. Square waves (that are 1 for signals that you want and 0 for signals you don't want) inverse Fourier transform to sinc functions[1], so if you are filtering just by chopping things out, it will greatly distort the time-domain system b…

Wouldn't the result would be as smooth as the FFT's window function?

Re: High-Tech Window Cling is Like a Volume Knob for Real Life

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and there's whether it actually works IRL. I think it's feasible to have something like the concept, but there are quite a few hiccups along the way -- I'm no audio expert, but I suspect that a single microphone/speaker location may be unable to cancel satisfactorily the incoming sound field through the window. Also, Loud noises creep in through various places, so if your window is quite good already you many no…

I've done quite a bit of signal processing in my day. Audio, image/computer vision, radio comms, etc. This product strikes me as not terribly honest for a few reasons: Geometry The mic/speaker assembly are in the middle of the window but the window has substantial size relative to the dimensions of the room and the distance the listener is from the device. What this means is that you have a multipath problem; the ori…

Agreed 100%. This is a murderously difficult problem, so claims of miracles need to be received with some skepticism.

Re: High-Tech Window Cling is Like a Volume Knob for Real Life

#25
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I'm not convinced about the ability to block out certain types of sounds (e.g. birds vs traffic), but blocking out certain frequencies should be quite possible. Of course, there's one question the article didn't address: what proportion of sound is actually transmitted through window panes? One would expect that a whole lot of low-frequency sounds (traffic) would come through the walls too.

I got the impression it would play bird sounds, i.e. a "zen" noise generator, not filter actual bird sounds through.

That's certainly more realistic, but I think it was pretty clear in the video that the device identified the various types of sounds coming from outside, and allowed the user to independently control the amount of each to be let through.

Re: High-Tech Window Cling is Like a Volume Knob for Real Life

#26
Created by an industrial designer, not an engineer. From the designer's website [0]:

> With its concentric broadband antenna rings, it harvests the energy of electromagnetic noise from Wi-Fi, and similar signals and this way also reduces the level of e-smog pollution in your environment.

facepalm. This is nonsense.

[0] http://id2studio.at/content/noise/

Re: High-Tech Window Cling is Like a Volume Knob for Real Life

#27
This is an obnoxious designer BS, this is just not doable for a host of reasons - from basic physics to unavailabilty of algorithms required to the lack of physical components liberally massaged into the rendering - so it's even more fascinating to see the HN thread filled with "take my money" and "awesome" comments.

Really, fellas? I don't mind a discussion on how it could possibly be done, but where's your rudimental critical thinking? Even reddit had a better discussion [1].

[1] http://www.reddit.com/r/gadgets/comments/1pdfb0/volume_knob_...

Re: High-Tech Window Cling is Like a Volume Knob for Real Life

#28
I looked into noise cancellation technology a while ago, because I have a hobby woodshop, and I want to be able to use my tools past 10 pm.

I just don't believe this concept could work the way the video demonstrates it. Nice interface though... but that's kind of the easy part.

Re: High-Tech Window Cling is Like a Volume Knob for Real Life

#29
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Yes, this should be on a crowdfunded project asap if the prototype in the video was really functional and no simulated sounds were added. I'd buy it in an instant! Maybe I'll attempt to promote it on Reddit to help with gaining more 'mass-appeal' traction.

I'm pretty sure it was CGI.

Damn, I should've known it was too good to be true. I did wonder though how come a corporation hadn't invented it yet though.

Re: High-Tech Window Cling is Like a Volume Knob for Real Life

#30
I totally hate active noise cancelation... I don't know whether it only gets out like 99% of the noise while leaving like... the outlines of a clipped out picture on photoshop or what, but it's hell on my ears. It just causes pain without any indication of whats causing it and that's incredibly unnerving.
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