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Re: Confessions of a Drone Warrior

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that they are latency sensitive operations. I can't think of roles they fulfill that even a 1 second latency would affect.

Missiles? What if in that 1-second latency a car full of innocent people appear and they get killed?

Then that would be "collateral damage" which is such a lovely euphemism for "we blew a bunch of innocent civilians to chowder but hey we are the good guys".

Re: Confessions of a Drone Warrior

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> He was told that they were carrying rifles on their shoulders, but for all he knew, they were shepherd’s staffs. Still, the directive from somewhere above, a mysterious chain of command that led straight to his headset, was clear: confirmed weapons. Can someone elaborate on how these decisions are made?

Remote targeting has been a part of modern warfare for a century now. Forward observers identify targets, a command procedure is followed, and artillery men fire shells at targets they can not see over distances of hundreds of meters to tens of kilometers.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indirect_fire for a typical decision making process.

The significant change here isn't that the distance is three orders of magnitude greater, or the required number of projectiles two orders of magnitude fewer. The sensor operator sees what he is doing and the effect. He is not in danger, he is not in a kill or be killed situation, but is called on to kill and observe the results. It is different psychological territory from where most combat soldiers operate.

Re: Confessions of a Drone Warrior

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Which is the latency of Nevada-Afghanistan? I'd always thought that this drones were operated from a relative short distance.

If he target is moving at a constant trajectory it's probably fairly easy to compensate for a couple of seconds lag, computer could probably do this without much issue.

Re: Confessions of a Drone Warrior

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Killing distant people in a foreign country is most people's definition of a terrorist attack. A declared war is one thing but this type of terror weapon is likely to backfire some day, if it hasn't already.

I think most people's definition would be more like the mass murder of non-combatants for religious or political reasons

hum. From what I have read so far about US drone attacks, they seem fit your description quite nicely.

Thanks for the good definition.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/22/amnesty-us-offi...

Re: Confessions of a Drone Warrior

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post #5

Killing distant people in a foreign country is most people's definition of a terrorist attack. A declared war is one thing but this type of terror weapon is likely to backfire some day, if it hasn't already.

What? No it's not. Terrorism is about using violent, random attacks that cause fear to effect some sort of change. It has nothing to do with distance.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

Re: Confessions of a Drone Warrior

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Watching countless documentaries about this war zone I can't help but recall the numerous occasions that IED's are branded as cowardly weapons. Surely on the same scale this sort of thing is the most cowardly weapon of all.

Re: Confessions of a Drone Warrior

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This is the future of warfare and it's a good thing. Way better than back when you would firebomb an industrial city or lob cruise missiles at poorly defined targets. No boots on the ground means none of our people at risk and drones are much more precise than bombs.

The reactions in this thread demonstrate the classic uneasiness with killing a few people while being okay with killing lots of people. The people complaining about drones likely had nothing to say about Clinton lobbing cruise missiles into downtown Belgrade.

Re: Confessions of a Drone Warrior

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post #5

Killing distant people in a foreign country is most people's definition of a terrorist attack. A declared war is one thing but this type of terror weapon is likely to backfire some day, if it hasn't already.

Congratulations, you've just described all warfare outside of civil conflicts as terrorist attacks. All non-civil wars involved killing distant people in a foreign country.

Re: Confessions of a Drone Warrior

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Considering Bryant is one of the only operators speaking out, his conscience seems to bother him more than the average.

Here's a comparison (an IAMA thread from reddit).

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ghkm7/iama_drone_sens...

Q: Have you ever had to strike a target that you were not comfortable with?

sensor_operator: No, I trust our JTACs 1000000% they really know their stuff.

While this was the top voted comment, I found it very dark. To me, what the operator was implicitly saying was that he'd target whoever his superiors told him too.

I don't get outraged. More than being outraged I think this shows a fundamental truth about humans which is that they'll kill without losing too much sleep. I'd put myself in the 'let him who is without sin cast the first stone' camp.

Re: Confessions of a Drone Warrior

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post #17

I couldn't finish this article. It just makes me too angry. Warrior? How dare anyone involved in this dignify themselves with such an honour-laden term. They're just murderers, and the fact they hide behind so many layers of technology just makes it all the more cowardly and despicable.

I wonder if you'd allow a pilot to use the term? They do much the same thing, of course they are actually physically present (miles above). They are, however, about as likely to be injured (in these counter insurgency operations) as the drone operator is driving home. I think this is largely just what modern counter insurgency wars are for Air Forces, who are largely aerial assassins rather than "warriors". It makes war less sexy, and I think that's a good thing.
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