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The Stupidity of Windows 8 in a Nutshell

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Re: The Stupidity of Windows 8 in a Nutshell

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What Windows 8 [and Windows Phone] do really well, is keep shit from piling up. By making the icons big, there's less room to save another icon to the desktop/home_screen. And applications don't get to place stuff there by default. Having run Windows Phone for two years, and my new Android phone for less than a month, the Android homescreen is already more disordered than the Windows device - and despite my more acti…

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Re: The Stupidity of Windows 8 in a Nutshell

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What Windows 8 [and Windows Phone] do really well, is keep shit from piling up. By making the icons big, there's less room to save another icon to the desktop/home_screen. And applications don't get to place stuff there by default. Having run Windows Phone for two years, and my new Android phone for less than a month, the Android homescreen is already more disordered than the Windows device - and despite my more acti…

I agree with you mostly, but I do have a complaint about the all programs list in Windows 8.1. For some reason, I still find it difficult to actually parse the list of all applications. The titles of the program groupings don't stand out well to my eyes, and it gets impossible to read with a lot of things installed. I tend to just use the search rather than trying to pick something out of the list.

I agree on Android vs Windows Phone. I'm currently pulling double duty between a Nexus 4 and a Lumia 920, and I'm looking at a Nexus 5 for my next phone. Lord knows I love my Windows Phone, but I really want a 5" phone next. I was disappointed when Nokia announced the 1320 as a 6" screen and a huge case. The 1520 may be an acceptable size for my hands, but the $750 price tag is too much for me to justify.

See, this is the type of conversation I was hoping to have after the recent Nokia event, until all of the articles were inexplicably pulled from HN.

Re: The Stupidity of Windows 8 in a Nutshell

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... ignoring the fact that you can have multiple metro apps on screen just like with any other tiling window manager. i think there's a good argument that manually micro-managing the sizes and positions of overlapping windows (some of which can additionally be application or system modal) is a waste of time and gives few benefits. whilst the metro apps are all pretty cut down at the moment - and there's a lot of work…

After years of windows bashing, Microsoft seems is trying to correct it's security nightmare past.

Security is a higher priority than functionality right now (from observation). Until they can get a way to secure windows apps without hampering functionality, we will always have both desktop and metro mode living together.

Re: The Stupidity of Windows 8 in a Nutshell

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I love Windows 8. At first the separate "Desktop" and "Metro" environments are confusing, but once you realize you can go into desktop mode and stay there while utilizing all the new utility offered by the interface (Windows + Q anyone? It's a more robust version of Spotlight) the whole thing clicks and becomes a real joy to use. I believe 90% of the backlash is from people who have never used Windows 8, or gave it l…

Microsoft caused the confusion by not adding a tutorial. I suggested it during windows 8 developer preview but they ignored it.

Their current tutorial still doesn't cut it but it's a step in the right direction.

Re: The Stupidity of Windows 8 in a Nutshell

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Stupidity? Stupidity is people making criticisms without actually using the product they're criticizing. >Treat the Metro UI and desktop as different modes and encourage developers to build applications that work on both. When you’re interacting with windows from a tablet switch into metro mode. When you’re using windows from a desktop with a mouse switch into desktop mode. This happens today. It's called... Windows…

I wrote this as reply in the blog, but asking you - is this fixed in 8.1: "Most confusing to me, was mouse-wheeling up and down the Weather app, which in turn did leftright scrolling, but if it ever hovered over a listview with more elements to display it overtook the leftright scrolling and started updown scrolling... This really felt weird... Very very very wrong!"

Re: The Stupidity of Windows 8 in a Nutshell

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you have a keyboard / mouse, then TYPE on the start screen. You know, the auto-search feature? The Start Screen is one of the best keyboard-interfaces I've ever used. For me, the problem is that, on the desktop or laptop, the Start Screen uses 100% of my screen real estate for a task (typing a search query, hitting enter) that would be better performed with, at most, 10% of my screen real estate. Having a full…

You know, leaving your current program and starting up a new program is horrible for maintaining flow as well. But lets be frank here: you're entering the start screen because you're starting up a new program. Its not like your programs disappear when the start screen pops up ya know. Its all there...

> You know, leaving your current program and starting up a new program is horrible for maintaining flow

I don't "leave" my current program to open a new one. I can have more than one program open at the same time. Many (most?) programs do not open in full screen.

Re: The Stupidity of Windows 8 in a Nutshell

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What Windows 8 [and Windows Phone] do really well, is keep shit from piling up. By making the icons big, there's less room to save another icon to the desktop/home_screen. And applications don't get to place stuff there by default. Having run Windows Phone for two years, and my new Android phone for less than a month, the Android homescreen is already more disordered than the Windows device - and despite my more acti…

I agree with you mostly, but I do have a complaint about the all programs list in Windows 8.1. For some reason, I still find it difficult to actually parse the list of all applications. The titles of the program groupings don't stand out well to my eyes, and it gets impossible to read with a lot of things installed. I tend to just use the search rather than trying to pick something out of the list. I agree on Android…

Your argument about grouping is valid.

Solution, search for your most used programs, right click and pin to start screen or taskbar.

Re: The Stupidity of Windows 8 in a Nutshell

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When I saw Windows 7 I thought I knew where Microsoft was heading. I saw the new task bar with it's "finger friendly" buttons and thought to myself "MS is slowly integrating touch into their interface....makes sense.". However between awesome Windows 7 and the mess that is Windows 8 something must have happened. Someone inside MS must have preaching that you can't simply make Windows touch friendly. They must have ar…

Windows 8..n can be bad and good. It's awful when used on old hardware - just like vista. It's sweet when ur using hardware that supports it fully. 1. Gesture aware trackpad 2. Touch screen These are very important, without them, windows 8 will hell. i've been there, hated it until I got gesture sensitive mouse. I'm sure touch screen will do wonders.

phr4ts what's the down-vote for?

Conduct a poll and u'll see that alot of those who dislike win 8 the most are on old hardware.

Re: The Stupidity of Windows 8 in a Nutshell

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post #20

When I saw Windows 7 I thought I knew where Microsoft was heading. I saw the new task bar with it's "finger friendly" buttons and thought to myself "MS is slowly integrating touch into their interface....makes sense.". However between awesome Windows 7 and the mess that is Windows 8 something must have happened. Someone inside MS must have preaching that you can't simply make Windows touch friendly. They must have ar…

Windows 8..n can be bad and good. It's awful when used on old hardware - just like vista. It's sweet when ur using hardware that supports it fully. 1. Gesture aware trackpad 2. Touch screen These are very important, without them, windows 8 will hell. i've been there, hated it until I got gesture sensitive mouse. I'm sure touch screen will do wonders.

It's not the touch that's the problem. I'm running Win8 on just about the newest hardware you can buy, and it's a user-experience hell.

The "metro" screen is neither the start menu, nor is it the desktop, nor is it the new OS itself. It's stuck in this artificial layer of existence that I can't even discern.

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