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I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Post by pippy »

Millennium wrote: post #17
iamben wrote: post #7

Mayor Bloomberg's reaction is interesting - I'm curious to know when a person transitions from vandal to artist. I don't think anyone could argue that Banksy hasn't cemented a place in the 'history of art' and the books our children read that cover this period will feature his work. In the UK a lot of people are genuinely gutted when a Banksy gets removed or covered - like something (a gift?) has been removed from th…

> I'm curious to know when a person transitions from vandal to artist. When they start asking for permission before painting other people's stuff.

In most cases Banksy doesn't ask for permission.

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Post by alex_doom »

mhurron wrote: post #11
iamben wrote: post #7

Mayor Bloomberg's reaction is interesting - I'm curious to know when a person transitions from vandal to artist. I don't think anyone could argue that Banksy hasn't cemented a place in the 'history of art' and the books our children read that cover this period will feature his work. In the UK a lot of people are genuinely gutted when a Banksy gets removed or covered - like something (a gift?) has been removed from th…

> 'm curious to know when a person transitions from vandal to artist. When they stop vandalizing.

This guy has paid for his copy of WinRAR

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Post by iamben »

pippy wrote: post #19
iamben wrote: post #7

Mayor Bloomberg's reaction is interesting - I'm curious to know when a person transitions from vandal to artist. I don't think anyone could argue that Banksy hasn't cemented a place in the 'history of art' and the books our children read that cover this period will feature his work. In the UK a lot of people are genuinely gutted when a Banksy gets removed or covered - like something (a gift?) has been removed from th…

The line to me is clear - tagging is vandalism, but if it exists to send a message it's art. A high level of skill is required to make art, either aesthetically or emotionally. Of course there is the grey area where a tag can be so well done you're questioning if it should be in a gallery, but by then the artist has built up a large repertoire of skills.

I think you're probably correct - and as I said, I think the 'man on the street' attitude in the UK right now would very much be that Banksy is an 'artist' rather than a vandal. I suspect this has a lot to do with an enormous amount of very favourable national press coverage.

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Post by lclarkmichalek »

theoh wrote: post #20
iamben wrote: post #7

Mayor Bloomberg's reaction is interesting - I'm curious to know when a person transitions from vandal to artist. I don't think anyone could argue that Banksy hasn't cemented a place in the 'history of art' and the books our children read that cover this period will feature his work. In the UK a lot of people are genuinely gutted when a Banksy gets removed or covered - like something (a gift?) has been removed from th…

Well, most art critics don't take Banksy seriously, so I wouldn't count on him having a place in the history books any more than a novelty musician like Weird Al, for example. In fact that comparison makes Banksy sound more important than he is. David Blaine, maybe? http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/20...

If not in art history books, he'd have a place in anthropology history books, simply due to the vast differences in the way people perceive his work, and the conversation (furore in some cases) that it causes.

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Post by andrewb »

theoh wrote: post #20
iamben wrote: post #7

Mayor Bloomberg's reaction is interesting - I'm curious to know when a person transitions from vandal to artist. I don't think anyone could argue that Banksy hasn't cemented a place in the 'history of art' and the books our children read that cover this period will feature his work. In the UK a lot of people are genuinely gutted when a Banksy gets removed or covered - like something (a gift?) has been removed from th…

Well, most art critics don't take Banksy seriously, so I wouldn't count on him having a place in the history books any more than a novelty musician like Weird Al, for example. In fact that comparison makes Banksy sound more important than he is. David Blaine, maybe? http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/20...

I made a recent trip to NYC and visited several museums and Five Points. I was more impressed by the artwork by the graffiti artists than the majority of items at say MoMA PS1.

Unfortunately, I think graffiti art will be accepted one funeral at a time.

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Post by fastball »

pippy wrote: post #21
Millennium wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm curious to know when a person transitions from vandal to artist. When they start asking for permission before painting other people's stuff.

In most cases Banksy doesn't ask for permission.

Exactly, which is why Bloomberg considers Banksy a vandal.

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Post by iamben »

theoh wrote: post #20
iamben wrote: post #7

Mayor Bloomberg's reaction is interesting - I'm curious to know when a person transitions from vandal to artist. I don't think anyone could argue that Banksy hasn't cemented a place in the 'history of art' and the books our children read that cover this period will feature his work. In the UK a lot of people are genuinely gutted when a Banksy gets removed or covered - like something (a gift?) has been removed from th…

Well, most art critics don't take Banksy seriously, so I wouldn't count on him having a place in the history books any more than a novelty musician like Weird Al, for example. In fact that comparison makes Banksy sound more important than he is. David Blaine, maybe? http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/20...

He makes the contemporary/2000s artist pages in a number of the generic art books I've picked up over the last few years. Although I can't claim to be any kind of a critic.

[Goes to play some Weird Al on Spotify ;-)]

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Post by radley »

theoh wrote: post #20
iamben wrote: post #7

Mayor Bloomberg's reaction is interesting - I'm curious to know when a person transitions from vandal to artist. I don't think anyone could argue that Banksy hasn't cemented a place in the 'history of art' and the books our children read that cover this period will feature his work. In the UK a lot of people are genuinely gutted when a Banksy gets removed or covered - like something (a gift?) has been removed from th…

Well, most art critics don't take Banksy seriously, so I wouldn't count on him having a place in the history books any more than a novelty musician like Weird Al, for example. In fact that comparison makes Banksy sound more important than he is. David Blaine, maybe? http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/20...

Don't take critics too seriously. Nobody here can name a single critic. But we all know Banksy.

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Post by saurik »

iamben wrote: post #7

Mayor Bloomberg's reaction is interesting - I'm curious to know when a person transitions from vandal to artist. I don't think anyone could argue that Banksy hasn't cemented a place in the 'history of art' and the books our children read that cover this period will feature his work. In the UK a lot of people are genuinely gutted when a Banksy gets removed or covered - like something (a gift?) has been removed from th…

Why can't vandalism be an artistic medium? I don't see any reason why someone can't be labeled both "vandal" and "artist". (edit: re-reading my sentence an hour later, I think even better wording might be "an outlet for artistic expression" rather than "an artistic medium".)

Re: I’m the Accidental Owner of a Banksy

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Post by radley »

yetanotherphd wrote: post #3

It took ten minutes of reading articles and comments to convince myself this was real and not a joke. You can't make this stuff up: "A scuffle broke out at the scene of Banksy's latest piece in Williamsburg as a building manager and bystanders manhandled a vandal who tagged over the piece [of graffiti]." "The building manager grabbed him and threw him down and was calling the cops, but the guy bolted"

Graffiti is art. Tags are just dogs marking territory.
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