I mean, yes, Apple also handily outmanoeuvred Microsoft in those areas where they do compete, and has beaten back Microsoft's forays into mobile. But Microsoft's problems are much more mundane- office software became a commodity, and they've failed to produce a new OS that's a clear-cut improvement over Windows 95. One could imagine a Microsoft that found a way to meaningfully innovate purely on the good old PC platform and be successful without any of this mobile devices tomfoolery.
Microsoft Mission Impossible
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Re: Microsoft Mission Impossible
#22One of the really surprising things about Microsoft is that despite all the caustic internal politics, CEO antics, missteps, misfires, a business model designed to extract maximum money from everybody, and even questionable development and design practices, on occasion really great software (and hardware) comes out of there. World class, amazing, top of the industry with no true peers. For example, despite all of the…
You're really looking at this from so many incorrect ways that I'm not really sure where to start. First of all, "good ideas, theory and philosophy" only go so far when we're talking thousands of more developers and billions of dollars. Excel, is pretty awesome but it's not perfect. I often find myself using Open Office because of some UTF8 issues when importing data into Excel. I own Excel but I use Open Office just…
>First of all, "good ideas, theory and philosophy" only go so far when we're talking thousands of more developers and billions of dollars. Excel, is pretty awesome but it's not perfect. I often find myself using Open Office because of some UTF8 issues when importing data into Excel. I own Excel but I use Open Office just as often.
True, it's not perfect, but it's OO is simply not comparable. I'm not saying OO is bad either, just that Excel really is fantastic as far as software goes. The more important question is why haven't the thousands of developers and billions of development time spent on open source software not only built comparable software, but better software?
> Visio, Access, and PowerPoint were purchased by Microsoft. Sure they continued to develop them, but at one point I used Access for 5-6 years and it hardly got any major features when Microsoft upgraded Office. So, these great innovations didn't originate with Microsoft.
So? When was PowerPoint purchased? 1987? I'd be willing to wager one entire American dollar that there aren't more than 100 lines of original "Presenter" code in today's PowerPoint. More importantly, in all that time they've managed not to drive it into the ground, but keep it at the pinnacle of presentation software. Keynote is probably the closest thing PowerPoint has to a reasonable competitor after almost 3 decades.
>The major reason that you don't see much competition with Office is because of their proprietary formats have basically won. People don't want 99% compatibility, they need 100%, so other vendors have fallen out of the game because they can't make the same level of investment.
Again so? OO has had it's own format for many years now thank you and still isn't as good of a piece of software. The format the tool uses is orthogonal to the quality of the software. And OO simply isn't as good. It's not bad, it's good even, but not as good.
> As for being easy to learn, I think if you Google "Microsoft Office classes", you'll find that lots of people still require training. Just switching to the Ribbon Bar caused problems for many users.
There are classes for just about everything Google "how to use a mouse" and you'll find a few million helpful sites on them. Fact is, a computer illiterate person can learn how to write a reasonable document, or do basic spreadsheety things with a little prompting. To fully invalidate your point, believe it or not, there are actually Open Office classes and even iWorks classes.
No software is so easy to use that somebody who's never seen it before can walk up to it and start using it and it's a delusion that software can be that's a continuous problem with many tech communities. It's an issue that goes back to the late '70s, and if somebody hasn't learned to use a computer decently in the last 40 years I'd submit that no amount of work in software interfaces will ever overcome that barrier.
Re: Microsoft Mission Impossible
#23I find the "iPhone killed Microsoft" story to be unconvincing, despite its popularity. Yes, the iPhone is wildly successful beyond anything Microsoft has invented in the 21st century, but its a smartphone - whereas, as this article itself states, Microsoft was in the business of peddling a Windows/Office bundle. So its not as if Apple and Microsoft are competing on that front; no one buys an iPhone to replace their c…
No, but many people buy tablets to replace their computer and tablets happened, effectively, because the iPhone happened.
Re: Microsoft Mission Impossible
#24One of the really surprising things about Microsoft is that despite all the caustic internal politics, CEO antics, missteps, misfires, a business model designed to extract maximum money from everybody, and even questionable development and design practices, on occasion really great software (and hardware) comes out of there. World class, amazing, top of the industry with no true peers. For example, despite all of the…
I'd argue you could say company with billions of dollars and the prestige to hire world class programmers. Windows Phone is an amazing piece of software, and if we got it 3-4 years earlier, it may have stood a chance.
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#25Microsoft is still a very healthy company, and now they finally got that healthy competition. Competition is good for the market, it's good for us consumers. Hell, it might even be good for Microsoft in the long run.
I'm admittedly a bit of a Microsoft fanboy, but I doubt that would've been the case if MS had still been the monopolist steam roller it once was.
The current market has forced MS to truly innovate and to be a much more friendly company in general (evidenced by e.g. their broad contributions to open source these days). How can that be bad?
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#26I find the "iPhone killed Microsoft" story to be unconvincing, despite its popularity. Yes, the iPhone is wildly successful beyond anything Microsoft has invented in the 21st century, but its a smartphone - whereas, as this article itself states, Microsoft was in the business of peddling a Windows/Office bundle. So its not as if Apple and Microsoft are competing on that front; no one buys an iPhone to replace their c…
The real problem for Microsoft and PC makers is that everyone has a PC and they don't need a new one. Whatever PC almost anyone has is now good enough. People are spending their money on the latest phones and tablets.
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#27Cisco was briefly worth more than Microsoft during the dotcom bubble. They had a $557 billion market cap, which is completely left out of the chart. Intel peaked at $509 billion (August 2000) - also left out of the chart. Nortel was worth $283 billion at their peak. Lucent was worth $285 billion. AOL was worth $222 billion. Oracle and Sun were both worth over $200 billion. Yahoo was worth $140 billion.
So they conveniently left out a cool $2.3 trillion or so in market cap among just a few other tech companies. Not to mention the various crazy valuations for companies worth tens of billions briefly.
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#28I think the people who say Microsoft has been a huge failure for the last decade should take a better look at the numbers that matter. The stock price doesn't matter. In 2000, we were at the top of the tech bubble. Bubble means valuations were stupid. The story talks about 2000 report with 19.3 billion from windows and 23 billion total revenue. On the other hand, Microsoft made 19.9 billion in revenue just last quart…
Microsoft has done quite well financially, but where they look bad is when you see how much Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, etc. have grown in the same period. One thing I learned in business school is the measure of a CEO is not whether or not they did a good job, but rather if they did a better job than someone else in the same position. It's hard to look at Microsoft in the last 10 years and think that they have…
Oracle
Salesforce
Mozilla
Sony
Nintendo
Samsung
Blackberry
IBM
Heroku
Rackspace
Sun
Novell
Red Hat
Jetbrains
Not to mention, open source projects like Apache, Linux, Open Office, etc that attempt to commoditize their products.
That is an incredibly huge list by any standard, and many on that list are giants themselves. Now, given that Microsoft has competed, on average, successfully against all these rivals, many of whom give away competing products for free, would you still consider their lack of success against a select few to be a huge shortcoming?
(Edit: typos, fixes, adding more rivals as I think of them)
Re: Microsoft Mission Impossible
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#30I'd take the job on for about 5 seconds before I pulled my golden ripcord. This is a job that no one likely can succeed at.
1) I'd argue that just maintaining the profit level they have now, over the next decade, would be a success given the situation.
2) Breaking the company into pieces, and letting new growth thrive from a smaller base, and letting old pieces die off if that's the way it's going to be (eg Windows consumer desktop). There's a lot of precedence for this sort of maneuver outside of tech, for stodgy old companies with mixtures of slow/no and faster growth businesses. The pieces could be seeded with tremendous amounts of cash to jump start them.
I think #2 is very unlikely given the Microsoft culture, however I think that's exactly what should happen.