Xero Raises Another $150M to Do Battle With Intuit in Online Accounting Software
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Re: Xero Raises Another $150M to Do Battle With Intuit in Online Accounting Software
#22Xero’s unique selling point is its slick and simple user interface This worked for Mint. I am less confident it will work for Xero, even though many startups/small businesses (myself included) want an alternative to Quickbooks. The article didn't mention this, but one of the most important selling points is not how it looks to SMBs, but whether or not banks and accountants will work with it. I remember reading somewh…
You've identified the issue around transition. It's not good enough to be simply better, it has to be great for the accountant and the transition has to be easy. Xero figured it out - although it 2-3 years after they launched (they are now 7 years old). Their key to paid customer growth is not the UI (which is great) but that they focus on helping accountants improve the way they do business with their clients. Their…
Re: Xero Raises Another $150M to Do Battle With Intuit in Online Accounting Software
#23I was looking at Xero last year and ran into a firm brick wall, from [0]: "There is a daily limit of 1000 API calls that a provider can make against a particular Xero organisation in a rolling 24 hour period." That is an absurdly low limit for anything but the simplest of businesses or businesses that aren't actually looking for tight integration, but rather just something to push accounting data to at the end of a d…
Re: Xero Raises Another $150M to Do Battle With Intuit in Online Accounting Software
#24I was looking at Xero last year and ran into a firm brick wall, from [0]: "There is a daily limit of 1000 API calls that a provider can make against a particular Xero organisation in a rolling 24 hour period." That is an absurdly low limit for anything but the simplest of businesses or businesses that aren't actually looking for tight integration, but rather just something to push accounting data to at the end of a d…
Re: Xero Raises Another $150M to Do Battle With Intuit in Online Accounting Software
#251) It syncs with HSBC bank (we chose HSBC as it syncs with Xero)
2) It syncs with PayPal (we chose PayPal as it syncs with Xero)
3) Our accountants ( http://ihorizon.co.uk/ ) use it heavily
4) It has an API
My goal in choosing an accounting tool is to have visibility and centralisation to ensure that the key people in the company have information instantly about cash flow, assets, the books, etc. And it does all of this really well.
The areas in which Xero is a PITA for anyone considering using it:
A) Expenses.
B) API limits.
C) Payroll
On expenses, the cycle is a long one and unfortunately expenses in Xero are such a mess that our accountants urge us to use an Excel based spreadsheet that we print and complete by hand, and then post to the accountant for processing. Then the accountant summarises the expenses and enters it into Xero. This sucks big time. One of our goals in choosing Xero is to ensure that we can see all of our costs clearly. We want to be able to answer questions like "How much are we spending on air travel?" and if expenses are summarised we lose that insight. Expenses in Xero are non-editable, which makes them very hard to fix when an employee enters in something wrong. We're not talking about fixing the payment amounts as payments would have been made already, but fixing categorisation, VAT (sales tax), etc.
On API limits one of the driving reasons to select Xero was to have the capability for a company dashboard in which revenue, recurring revenue, runway, etc is displayable on the single dashboard along with customer metrics, operations information, etc. We even want to eventually have monetary events in the company books charted "there was this spike of customers due to this Slashdotting, that led to this operations load which in turn did this to the revenue" (or not as is likely the case). The API limits are way too low to be useful, to the point that right now we've not actually built it into the dashboard. The limits are such that developing against the API isn't as trivial as calling it and fetching the numbers, now we'd have to build our own storage and design that schema, etc. It's gone from a quick extension to the dashboard to a more significant piece of work.
On payroll, Xero does not implement any real capability other than recording that payroll has happened. That our accountant still uses Sage ( http://www.sage.co.uk/sage-50-payroll ) to calculate payroll and generate payslips and payment instructions shows how useless Xero payroll is. It's not even fit for purpose, they built the first 80% (recording it and issuing payslips, etc) but not the ability to calculate it.
I don't know how the main UK competitor stacks up against Xero, but I've looked at Kashflow ( http://www.kashflow.com/ ) a few times and would probably try it out in parallel to Xero for a while if they'd complete the picture above and weren't using SOAP for the API.
Xero is a love/hate relationship, it's good but the limitations are awkward and inelegant. It feels half-baked in many ways, parts of Xero are nearly perfect, but other parts look like a first-stab that after 3 years of using it it has become clear that no-one is going to finish.
Re: Xero Raises Another $150M to Do Battle With Intuit in Online Accounting Software
#26We chose Xero for our UK startup as: 1) It syncs with HSBC bank (we chose HSBC as it syncs with Xero) 2) It syncs with PayPal (we chose PayPal as it syncs with Xero) 3) Our accountants ( http://ihorizon.co.uk/ ) use it heavily 4) It has an API My goal in choosing an accounting tool is to have visibility and centralisation to ensure that the key people in the company have information instantly about cash flow, assets,…
http://blog.xero.com/2013/07/purchase-orders-what-were-up-to...
Re: Xero Raises Another $150M to Do Battle With Intuit in Online Accounting Software
#27Xero’s unique selling point is its slick and simple user interface This worked for Mint. I am less confident it will work for Xero, even though many startups/small businesses (myself included) want an alternative to Quickbooks. The article didn't mention this, but one of the most important selling points is not how it looks to SMBs, but whether or not banks and accountants will work with it. I remember reading somewh…
I use Xero. I showed it to my accountant and we now regularly use it to cooperate on my accounting. I don't have to bring a MYOB file in to her, I just send her an email with a question and she can log in to look at my books. She's now recommending it to her other clients. (n=1)
Re: Xero Raises Another $150M to Do Battle With Intuit in Online Accounting Software
#28As a public investor, I was wondering why my ticker wasn't ticking last Friday. I'd encourage anyone in AU/NZ to take a look at Xero - we don't have many public tech stocks here, so it'll be interesting to see what happens to this one and its effect on the scene here. https://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=ASX:XRO
As always, I wish I'd bought when it first floated (same with Pipe Networks). Any hints? I'm currently looking at CBA's MyWealth platform to start investing.
Re: Xero Raises Another $150M to Do Battle With Intuit in Online Accounting Software
#29I've meet him a few times when I lived in Auckland (New Zealand) and approached him for advice when I was fresh out of University. If New Zealand wasn't such a small place getting access would have been impossible but Rod was really approachable and I was lucky enough to meet him over breakfast and get some entrepreneurial advice (this was about 7 years ago).
Some of the most memorable things he said to me at that breakfast was that entrepreneurs are fundamentally unemployable. I inferred from that statement that being an entrepreneur was going to be the only compatible career path for me (at the time I was considering going into investment banking). At the time I didn't heed his advice (well I was an impetuous youth) and I went to work for a discretionary fund manager but with the benefit of hindsight he was quite right. I really didn't like working for others.
The other thing he said was that I was probably too young for entrepreneurial success and that there's a certain element of experience needed for entrepreneurial success. I'm now a bit older and a touch greyer and with the luxury of hindsight I can now understand what he means. Now in my early 30s, my approach to launching my start up is a lot different to what I was doing in my 20s.
Re: Xero Raises Another $150M to Do Battle With Intuit in Online Accounting Software
#30Living in London now I've not really kept up with the start up/entrepreneurial scene in New Zealand (actually it's one of the many reasons why I left New Zealand in the first place but New Zealand's start up prospects are a whole other story). While it is amazing that Rod Drury (Xero’s CEO) has built Xero up to a valuation of about 2 billion, it's not a surprise. Rod had a vision right from the start to build a globa…
Rod has said to me previously that no entrepreneur should have money before they're 30... which has rung true with me. At least from a NZ perspective, we have to suffer for our art, it takes time to earn your stripes.